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  • Mon Mon
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    Does it count if in my twisted little mind i am the best BJJ guy of all time? :P

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by cereus View Post
    Does anyone start off in MMA and then transition into elite pure grappling?
    Not to my knowledge. That's also a weird question though. Palhares kinda did that because he never traveled to compete in bjj. He did mma and the was invited to adcc and got silver.
    The weird thing is he is basically a pure bjj artist that does mma.

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  • goshinbudoJJ
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    My problem with Demian Maia is the lack of finishes. He has a lot of decision wins.
    Dominating with BJJ doesn't always lead to a submission. Maia often uses it to control opponents, but I hear what you're saying. His last win was an absolute clinic that ended in a sub, but the fight before (LaFlare) was almost as good, just didn't end with a finish.

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  • cereus
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    Does anyone start off in MMA and then transition into elite pure grappling?

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  • goodlun
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    Originally posted by goshinbudoJJ View Post
    If you're putting an emphasis on success in MMA, Demian Maia should get a mention. His transitions are a thing of beauty. As far as pure BJJ, Marcelo is the man (though I am biased).
    My problem with Demian Maia is the lack of finishes. He has a lot of decision wins.

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  • goshinbudoJJ
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    If you're putting an emphasis on success in MMA, Demian Maia should get a mention. His transitions are a thing of beauty. As far as pure BJJ, Marcelo is the man (though I am biased).

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by Devil View Post
    Considering Jacare's judo skills, I think if Werdum had put more effort into the stand up, he would've gotten thrown harder for his efforts.
    It's funny they only met that one time in competition. You might be right. I would really like to see it.

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  • Devil
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    I also agree that Palhares belongs on the short list.

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  • Devil
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    Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    When I was less experienced I thought he was getting tooled with take downs (you are allowed to see it your way i dont want that to come across snide.). Now when I watch I just see him trying to trick Jacare into guard......but Jacare doesn't go into guards. He's amazing that way.
    If Werdum would have put more effort into standing up with him it would have looked different that's for sure.
    Considering Jacare's judo skills, I think if Werdum had put more effort into the stand up, he would've gotten thrown harder for his efforts.

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  • cereus
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    Are we talking about BJJ guys or just submision artists/specialists in general? If you are limiting it to people who primarliy practice BJJ or come from a particularly strong competitive BJJ background then you don't have the problem of someone like Jeremy Horn or Travis Fulton coming top. Basically limit it to anyone who gets called a BJJ fighter by the announcer.

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    Of course you do have to be careful with a points system or you might end up with someone like Jeremy Horn with his 62 wins via Submissions
    or
    Travis Fulton with 152 submissions

    as your victor

    While these guys are awesome for getting out there and competing so often and doing a good job at it.
    I think we can all agree that neither of them are the "best" BJJ fighter
    Jeremy Horn is an American Hero and a mma grappling Savant. He deserves atleast an honorable mention without a doubt.

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  • Raycetpfl
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    Originally posted by Devil View Post
    Werdum deserves to be near the very top of the short list for sure. But here he is getting completely tooled by Souza.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjft2aGXNwo
    When I was less experienced I thought he was getting tooled with take downs (you are allowed to see it your way i dont want that to come across snide.). Now when I watch I just see him trying to trick Jacare into guard......but Jacare doesn't go into guards. He's amazing that way.
    If Werdum would have put more effort into standing up with him it would have looked different that's for sure.

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  • Holy Moment
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    Joe Moreira.



    Delta Jackson: ​:)

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  • goodlun
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    Originally posted by cereus View Post
    These two pages from bjj heroes might be of interest. They have a points system laid out in one, you could base an mma points system on it I guess.

    http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/to...rs-of-all-time

    http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/be...r-in-mma-today
    Very interesting stuff
    So if we cross reference the MMA fighters top 3
    Ronaldo Jacare Souza (Middleweight)
    Roger Gracie (Middleweight)
    Fabricio Werdum (Heavyweight)

    Against the pure BJJ points system
    Roger Gracie 69
    Ronaldo Souza 31
    Fabricio Werdum 28

    P4P pure grappling top 3

    1 Alexandre Ribeiro 78
    2 Marcelo Garcia 69
    2 Roger Gracie 69

    Based on this I would say down to 2 choices
    Roger Gracie
    &
    Ronaldo Souza

    Roger having a much better pure grappling record
    and
    Ronaldo having the much better MMA record

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  • cereus
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    These two pages from bjj heroes might be of interest. They have a points system laid out in one, you could base an mma points system on it I guess.

    http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/to...rs-of-all-time

    http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/be...r-in-mma-today

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