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    #16
    Of course you do have to be careful with a points system or you might end up with someone like Jeremy Horn with his 62 wins via Submissions
    or
    Travis Fulton with 152 submissions

    as your victor

    While these guys are awesome for getting out there and competing so often and doing a good job at it.
    I think we can all agree that neither of them are the "best" BJJ fighter

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      #17
      These two pages from bjj heroes might be of interest. They have a points system laid out in one, you could base an mma points system on it I guess.

      http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/to...rs-of-all-time

      http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/be...r-in-mma-today

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        #18
        Originally posted by cereus View Post
        These two pages from bjj heroes might be of interest. They have a points system laid out in one, you could base an mma points system on it I guess.

        http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/to...rs-of-all-time

        http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/be...r-in-mma-today
        Very interesting stuff
        So if we cross reference the MMA fighters top 3
        Ronaldo Jacare Souza (Middleweight)
        Roger Gracie (Middleweight)
        Fabricio Werdum (Heavyweight)

        Against the pure BJJ points system
        Roger Gracie 69
        Ronaldo Souza 31
        Fabricio Werdum 28

        P4P pure grappling top 3

        1 Alexandre Ribeiro 78
        2 Marcelo Garcia 69
        2 Roger Gracie 69

        Based on this I would say down to 2 choices
        Roger Gracie
        &
        Ronaldo Souza

        Roger having a much better pure grappling record
        and
        Ronaldo having the much better MMA record

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          #19
          Joe Moreira.



          Delta Jackson: ​:)

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            #20
            Originally posted by Devil View Post
            Werdum deserves to be near the very top of the short list for sure. But here he is getting completely tooled by Souza.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjft2aGXNwo
            When I was less experienced I thought he was getting tooled with take downs (you are allowed to see it your way i dont want that to come across snide.). Now when I watch I just see him trying to trick Jacare into guard......but Jacare doesn't go into guards. He's amazing that way.
            If Werdum would have put more effort into standing up with him it would have looked different that's for sure.

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              #21
              Originally posted by goodlun View Post
              Of course you do have to be careful with a points system or you might end up with someone like Jeremy Horn with his 62 wins via Submissions
              or
              Travis Fulton with 152 submissions

              as your victor

              While these guys are awesome for getting out there and competing so often and doing a good job at it.
              I think we can all agree that neither of them are the "best" BJJ fighter
              Jeremy Horn is an American Hero and a mma grappling Savant. He deserves atleast an honorable mention without a doubt.

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                #22
                Are we talking about BJJ guys or just submision artists/specialists in general? If you are limiting it to people who primarliy practice BJJ or come from a particularly strong competitive BJJ background then you don't have the problem of someone like Jeremy Horn or Travis Fulton coming top. Basically limit it to anyone who gets called a BJJ fighter by the announcer.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Raycetpfl View Post
                  When I was less experienced I thought he was getting tooled with take downs (you are allowed to see it your way i dont want that to come across snide.). Now when I watch I just see him trying to trick Jacare into guard......but Jacare doesn't go into guards. He's amazing that way.
                  If Werdum would have put more effort into standing up with him it would have looked different that's for sure.
                  Considering Jacare's judo skills, I think if Werdum had put more effort into the stand up, he would've gotten thrown harder for his efforts.

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                    #24
                    I also agree that Palhares belongs on the short list.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Devil View Post
                      Considering Jacare's judo skills, I think if Werdum had put more effort into the stand up, he would've gotten thrown harder for his efforts.
                      It's funny they only met that one time in competition. You might be right. I would really like to see it.

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                        #26
                        If you're putting an emphasis on success in MMA, Demian Maia should get a mention. His transitions are a thing of beauty. As far as pure BJJ, Marcelo is the man (though I am biased).

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by goshinbudoJJ View Post
                          If you're putting an emphasis on success in MMA, Demian Maia should get a mention. His transitions are a thing of beauty. As far as pure BJJ, Marcelo is the man (though I am biased).
                          My problem with Demian Maia is the lack of finishes. He has a lot of decision wins.

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                            #28
                            Does anyone start off in MMA and then transition into elite pure grappling?

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                              My problem with Demian Maia is the lack of finishes. He has a lot of decision wins.
                              Dominating with BJJ doesn't always lead to a submission. Maia often uses it to control opponents, but I hear what you're saying. His last win was an absolute clinic that ended in a sub, but the fight before (LaFlare) was almost as good, just didn't end with a finish.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by cereus View Post
                                Does anyone start off in MMA and then transition into elite pure grappling?
                                Not to my knowledge. That's also a weird question though. Palhares kinda did that because he never traveled to compete in bjj. He did mma and the was invited to adcc and got silver.
                                The weird thing is he is basically a pure bjj artist that does mma.

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