Why do TMAers hate on MMA? (stereotypes you've heard about combat sports)

[ksennin]

I love how that is a picture of Jeff Monson, with the caption "has no philosophy" and "no control of his mind, body or spirit". Jeff Monson has a master's degree in psychology and was infamous for using his fighting victories as podiums to publicly expound on his political philosophies, which were heavily influenced by his readings of Tolstoy and other leftist thinkers. That picture shows that whoever's sharing it is ignorant and arrogant, and assumes a lot about people based on their appearances.

Oh, it was great to post this information as rebuttal to those postings. Thanks!

[judoka01]

Lately I've been chewing on the idea that we'd be much better off if we did away with the term "TMA". It allows shitty martial artists to hide behind weak training as if it's a point of honor. "Well, fuck you MMA meatheads. I'm an honorable traditional martial artist so your argument is invalid." We should acknowledge only two categories of martial arts training. Good training and shit training.

No. There is training that is accurate to tradition and therefore 'good training'. Whether they are learning self defense is another matter entirely.

[The Cap]

Oh, it was great to post this information as rebuttal to those postings. Thanks!

I'm glad you shared it with them. I hope it hurts knowing that the target of their derision is better educated, better employed and more politically active than the vast majority of your TMA tools.

[Holy Moment]

Worked for Musashi, supposedly.

A typical BJJ roll for me in a nutshell:

[Holy Moment]

Can we put this thread on Facebook, please? I think we could really use the valuable insight of people who liked our page without realizing what this site is about.

[ksennin]

I'm glad you shared it with them. I hope it hurts knowing that the target of their derision is better educated, better employed and more politically active than the vast majority of your TMA tools.

The silence has been deafening.

Funny thing is also that the karate teacher pictured looks to be Kunio Murayama, who I personally have trained under, and who I have never heard to particularly speak against MMA.

[W. Rabbit]

A typical BJJ roll for me in a nutshell:

I See your Shootfighter death match, and raise you a Shootfighter Bolo vs Kreese deathmatch, with weapons.

Look at all the empty handed fighters stunned in awe. They were expecting shootfighting, obviously.

[ksennin]

I'm glad you shared it with them. I hope it hurts knowing that the target of their derision is better educated, better employed and more politically active than the vast majority of your TMA tools.

Much more fit, as well. I can count on one hand the number of karateka in their 40s who I know are still sparring hard.

[Holy Moment]

Black Belt magazine had a few interesting reactions to UFC 1:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...074&highlight=

[Holy Moment]

Response to double-leg takedown: Jump kick.

Living proof that not everybody fucking got it in one fell swoop.

[ksennin]

Well, this was the first ever MMA fight here in Honduras over a decade ago.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjn7i-JDks

I know both of the guys here. I still work out with them in different training groups.

The karate guy is a very serious practitioner, with real good skills, and is now a teacher (and a good one IMO). He was already a black belt and a point competition champion when this happened. You cannot see it well because of angles but he actually pulled back his first punch in the initial scramble after a mere tap because of the point fighting habits.

The grappler had been doing BJJ for a few months I think, and had done some judo previously, and was chosen because he was big and the karate guy out-weighted most other choices. BJJ was barely getting started here and the instructors' level was blue or purple at best I think. He is now a MUCH superior grappler, of course, and regularly schools me while barely keeping from yawning.

You can see this original fight was a showcase of how uncomfortable both were with the match, and even so, you see how it was just a matter of time for the ground game to decide it.

The karate guy has incorporated sprawling and decent bodylocks into his defense from what I last saw. He works out hard and can beat me up easily in stand up. I doubt I am good enough in the ground to overcome his superior strength, conditioning and improved defense. One of his students recently decided to fight in a local (and better staged) mma event, so I helped him get some ground game, and two months ago he went, dominated it with his stand up and then ended up winning on the ground with a kimura.

So a lot of the problems regarding MMA still remain mostly a matter of personal pride. I am sure this karate instructor would pick up newaza with ease and be as good at it as he is at standup. But he never contemplated going and becoming the pupil at the BJJ school of the guys who beat him. This original matchup still remains a... touchy subject.

[ksennin]

At another recent event I was in the lockers helping one of the fighters warm up and get psyched up. A young guy from some karate organization saw me and was surprised to recognize me from the karate circles, and asked what was I doing here. When I explained he was surprised I was a part of the MMA scene as well (even if marginally, in truth). He and a couple of others had basically dragged their karate instructors in to come to the event. I had trained with both of those instructors in the past, and laughed that during the ooooold days, and the movie Bloodsport came out, we all expressed excitement at the idea of such tournaments and wished we could fight in one. And now here was the real thing, but now they had instead gone "This is too uncivilized. These people are just brawlers." They had just forgotten how they felt when they were young and fight-happy.

The kid actually begged me to please talk to them and remind them of this.

Seems to me that the younger generation is appreciative of the different venues of combat and frustrated by the stance of their teachers.

[Holy Moment]

I love Black Belt magazine.

[Holy Moment]

I just bought one of those shirts signed by Severn himself.

[ashkelon]

True, but how many TMA'ers have this kind of exposure?
I'd gather with the cult-like elements of many, and we have seen that on bullshido, there would be quite a number of abuse cases if they would be more exposed to the public.

*raises hand