Why do TMAers hate on MMA? (stereotypes you've heard about combat sports)

[Holy Moment]

Because TMA is badass and MMA is for pussies.

You just watched Harold Howard defeat a Muay Thai fighter/wrestler with point karate and bouncing experience. That's like the time I took out the helicopter in GTA: San Andreas with my bare hands.

[Omega Supreme]

That was a dickish way for me to phrase a legitimate question. Didn't mean to piss on your style. I guess what I should have asked is what would be the benefits of a monkey or tiger claw over a jab cross hook combination.?

Not dickish at all. This is all in fun. There are obviously more efficient techniques out there but, as we are seeing in modern MMA, pulling off those bullshit maneuvers are cool. (Where's Jon Jones and Anthony Pettis).

The concept of mythical life energy flowing through "maridians," loosely based on traditional Chinese Medicine, repurposed by Count Dante in the 1960s to sell his book on the Dim Mak and membership into the infamous "Black Dragon Society."

Well, that's an interesting definition and by that definition there is no way to logically prove that dim mak works unless I call your interpretation of "mythic" propaganda bullshit which only leads down a stupid tangent and I'm too tired today to go down that road.

I would propose to you that it does effect the flow of "energy", say to the heart, very similar to the way you described before. So over all does the dim mak technique work? Scientifically it does. When you get all these fucking vodoo mystic bullshit cult assholes and the dumbasses willing to believe them starting to talk then you get all this mysticism crap about one touch knock outs. I can do a one touch knock out. My fist touching your jaw.

For the record my kickboxing instructor dies because "dim mak" which is a rare but recorded injury in striking arts. (he got punched in the heart causing irregular heart rhythm
m resulting in death)

[Raycetpfl]

Because TMA is badass and MMA is for pussies.

You just watched Harold Howard defeat a Muay Thai fighter/wrestler with point karate and bouncing experience. That's like the time I took out the helicopter in GTA: San Andreas with my bare hands.

We gotta sayin' where I am from.....
If you're comin, than come on. - Harold Howard

[W. Rabbit]

That was a dickish way for me to phrase a legitimate question. Didn't mean to piss on your style. I guess what I should have asked is what would be the benefits of a monkey or tiger claw over a jab cross hook combination.?

His "tiger claw" can empty your face of tissue before (or after) your jab cross hook combination does shit.

If he's feeling MERCIFUL, he'll just use jiujitsu.

That's about that.

[big maclol]

Because TMA is badass and MMA is for pussies.

You just watched Harold Howard defeat a Muay Thai fighter/wrestler with point karate and bouncing experience. That's like the time I took out the helicopter in GTA: San Andreas with my bare hands.

This reminds me so much of Dead Or Alive

Maybe a bit of Tekken. Definitely a bloodsport vibe to it

[big maclol]

I got to agree with the "good training VS bad training" idea.

I know some pretty bad ass TMA and MMA guys. I also know the wannabe MMA fighters with the MMA shirts and the TMA jerk as well.

It just so happens that a majority of TMAers who dislike MMA are Asiaphiles who don't really train like real martial artists. The first few posts on this thread nail it pretty well!

[Raycetpfl]

His "tiger claw" can empty your face of tissue before (or after) your jab cross hook combination does shit.

If he's feeling MERCIFUL, he'll just use jiujitsu.

That's about that.

It's well known amongst real martial artists such as those from the Cobra Kai....that mercy is for the weak.

[Holy Moment]

Just Streeting a little bit in my room. Nothing unusual here.

[DARPAChief]

The thing is, if you are truly in a martial tradition the key word is tradition. The whole point is to train the way they used to. The guys doing Katori Shinto Ryu aren't about to drop their swords in favour of automatic rifles. Nor should the Shotokan guys start training kick-boxing style. So long as they don't misrepresent themselves I don't have a problem. There seems to be a large number of people that are completely baffled at the thought of practicing martial arts with a different set of goals than their own.

The motives behind the Shotokan and Shinto Ryu's training policies might appear to have things in common, but fundamentally they're coming from very different places. Shinto Ryu trains "like they used to" because it is deemed essential by the living vessels of the tradition, who arbitrate decisions based on their understanding of the core tenants of the ryu. There were and are plenty of classical JMA which have no problem with ditching training methods if it benefits the ryu, and there are other legitimate branches of Shinto Ryu that do things differently. Shotokan Ryu is a completely different animal; there is no "main line" or any sort of designated authority on what true Shotokan is, so it's comparably very difficult to imagine a conflict with tradition there.

[BackFistMonkey]

I got that hardcore Street Elbows Yo.

[NeilG]

Why do TMAers hate on MMA? (stereotypes you've heard about combat sports)

Shotokan Ryu is a completely different animal; there is no "main line" or any sort of designated authority on what true Shotokan is, so it's comparably very difficult to imagine a conflict with tradition there.

Fair enough, there are a lot more politics in Shotokan or any other popular Japanese or Okinawan style than in koryu. Part of the reason guys like Nishikawa split off is that they had strong ideas about what Shotokan should be that differed from the others. But if you got the heads of the various federations together I bet they could agree pretty broadly on many points and also about what it is not. After all, what is the point of practicing a particular ryu if you are going to be open to every technique and training method out there?

[ksennin]

Fair enough, there are a lot more politics in Shotokan or any other popular Japanese or Okinawan style than in koryu. Part of the reason guys like Nishikawa split off is that they had strong ideas about what Shotokan should be that differed from the others. But if you got the heads of the various federations together I bet they could agree pretty broadly on many points and also about what it is not. After all, what is the point of practicing a particular ryu if you are going to be open to every technique and training method out there?

Taken to extremes a style would then be more accurately described not just by what they do but also by what they do NOT do? By both their ranges of exclusion and inclusion? Like in the Neal Adams quote: "Style is what you do wrong"?

[mike321]

Taken to extremes a style would then be more accurately described not just by what they do but also by what they do NOT do? By both their ranges of exclusion and inclusion? Like in the Neal Adams quote: "Style is what you do wrong"?

Styles absolutely need to exclude stuff and avoid being complete. I cant imagine learning takedowns in a setting where jabs can be done. Boxing has developed amazing hand work and footwork by focusing on using hands to hit people.

[NeilG]

Taken to extremes a style would then be more accurately described not just by what they do but also by what they do NOT do? By both their ranges of exclusion and inclusion? Like in the Neal Adams quote: "Style is what you do wrong"?

What you do, what you don't do, and how you do what you do.

[Omega Supreme]

Styles absolutely need to exclude stuff and avoid being complete. I cant imagine learning takedowns in a setting where jabs can be done. Boxing has developed amazing hand work and footwork by focusing on using hands to hit people.

I disagree. Now is that a discussion for this thread or a new one?