Why do TMAers hate on MMA? (stereotypes you've heard about combat sports)

[W. Rabbit]

Rising Phoenix which is an evolution of the 5 families.

Five Family Fist, or Five Ancestor Fist? I thought it was the latter.

[ksennin]

The thing is, if you are truly in a martial tradition the key word is tradition. The whole point is to train the way they used to. The guys doing Katori Shinto Ryu aren't about to drop their swords in favour of automatic rifles. Nor should the Shotokan guys start training kick-boxing style. So long as they don't misrepresent themselves I don't have a problem. There seems to be a large number of people that are completely baffled at the thought of practicing martial arts with a different set of goals than their own.

Of course, but the problem is the misrepresentation. I have a friend who was a kata and point fighting champion. She traveled all over and had great experiences with it. She had no desire to learn full contact martial arts, grappling or MMA. Meanwhile I cross-fought in backyards and garages and collected injuries and scars. It is easy to make an argument her martial arts practice was more positive. We did different things. She was an elite athlete and better at what she did and arguably gained more from it proportionally than I did. The important thing is to be aware and honest of what it is one does and why one does it.

But many TMA are not aware or honest. They still buy the myth, the invicible skills superhero powers claptrap, and/or they still preach it. They actually make the successful athletes like my friend look bad by association, by murking the general awareness of the scope and intent of what sport karate is and aims to be.

[Omega Supreme]

Five Family Fist, or Five Ancestor Fist? I thought it was the latter.

I'm using layman terms it's Five Ancestors.

[NeilG]

Of course, but the problem is the misrepresentation. I have a friend who was a kata and point fighting champion. She traveled all over and had great experiences with it. She had no desire to learn full contact martial arts, grappling or MMA. Meanwhile I cross-fought in backyards and garages and collected injuries and scars. It is easy to make an argument her martial arts practice was more positive. We did different things. She was an elite athlete and better at what she did and arguably gained more from it proportionally than I did. The important thing is to be aware and honest of what it is one does and why one does it.

But many TMA are not aware or honest. They still buy the myth, the invicible skills superhero powers claptrap, and/or they still preach it. They actually make the successful athletes like my friend look bad by association, by murking the general awareness of the scope and intent of what sport karate is and aims to be.

The flip side of that is the large number of people who believe that your friend was wasting her time, and that she's an idiot for not studying something with more practical self-defence application.

[ermghoti]

My base is in Gotham City.....

You're the Riddler?

[Raycetpfl]

I'm using layman terms it's Five Ancestors.

What do you think about all the nonsense Kung fu claims,death touch... Yada Yada yada and "monkey paw-esque" strikes in kung-fu?

[Omega Supreme]

What do you think about all the nonsense Kung fu claims,death touch... Yada Yada yada and "monkey paw-esque" strikes in kung-fu?

Mixture of truth and lies. Since somebody brought it up let's get into some philosophical, rhetorical riddles. What is the best way to win a fight? If you know what kung-fu really means can "monkey paw" really be considered nonsense?

For the record the "Dim Mak" is a proven technique. Of course it fall under the premise of being able to snap somebody's neck.

[W. Rabbit]

Sometimes you eat the monkey, sometimes the monkey eats you.

[Cajun_Grappler]

For the record the "Dim Mak" is a proven technique. Of course it fall under the premise of being able to snap somebody's neck.

I'm kinda skeptical, depends on what you mean by "Dim Mak" to me. When I worked as a paramedic, there was a technique known as a Pericardial thumb. Basically, when the drugs just stop working, you hit their sternum as hard as you can, and hope it resets something. Its a last ditch, why-the-hell-not, can't-make-them-more-dead kind of procedure. I've seen it actually work once, used by an ER doc who said that was the first time it actually worked for him.

So there is scientific precedent for a strong enough, well placed strike to the chest disrupting the heart rhythms. But the whole "hit the right spots and screw their chi flow" stuff I call bullshido on.

[Omega Supreme]

I'm kinda skeptical, depends on what you mean by "Dim Mak" to me. When I worked as a paramedic, there was a technique known as a Pericardial thumb. Basically, when the drugs just stop working, you hit their sternum as hard as you can, and hope it resets something. Its a last ditch, why-the-hell-not, can't-make-them-more-dead kind of procedure. I've seen it actually work once, used by an ER doc who said that was the first time it actually worked for him.

So there is scientific precedent for a strong enough, well placed strike to the chest disrupting the heart rhythms. But the whole "hit the right spots and screw their chi flow" stuff I call bullshido on.

You're just being stubborn and I'm going to be the stubborn wise troll here. Define 'chi'.

[Raycetpfl]

Mixture of truth and lies. Since somebody brought it up let's get into some philosophical, rhetorical riddles. What is the best way to win a fight? If you know what kung-fu really means can "monkey paw" really be considered nonsense?

For the record the "Dim Mak" is a proven technique. Of course it fall under the premise of being able to snap somebody's neck.

That was a dickish way for me to phrase a legitimate question. Didn't mean to piss on your style. I guess what I should have asked is what would be the benefits of a monkey or tiger claw over a jab cross hook combination.?

[Cajun_Grappler]

You're just being stubborn and I'm going to be the stubborn wise troll here. Define 'chi'.

The concept of mythical life energy flowing through "maridians," loosely based on traditional Chinese Medicine, repurposed by Count Dante in the 1960s to sell his book on the Dim Mak and membership into the infamous "Black Dragon Society."

[Holy Moment]

My base is in Gotham City.....

I thought it was Hell's Kitchen?



Hashtag Street.

[Raycetpfl]

Oops I messes up.

[Raycetpfl]

I'm kinda skeptical, depends on what you mean by "Dim Mak" to me. When I worked as a paramedic, there was a technique known as a Pericardial thumb. Basically, when the drugs just stop working, you hit their sternum as hard as you can, and hope it resets something. Its a last ditch, why-the-hell-not, can't-make-them-more-dead kind of procedure. I've seen it actually work once, used by an ER doc who said that was the first time it actually worked for him.

So there is scientific precedent for a strong enough, well placed strike to the chest disrupting the heart rhythms. But the whole "hit the right spots and screw their chi flow" stuff I call bullshido on.

Dim mak = https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis