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  • W. Rabbit
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    The Lam family version HUNGRY CRANE SEARCHES FOR SHRIMP.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by Ke?poFist View Post
    Long story short: If you think you can land a finger strike in someone's eye, but you suck so much that you can't land a punch on someone's face in a kickboxing or MMA match, you are delusional and should not be teaching martial arts.
    Does he actually teach or has he ever competed?

    This is the part I'll never get, how you can be a "grand master" and have practically no students who call you that. If you have a few...nope still not a "grand master" of anything. And of course the more delusional students you have calling you "Grandmaster" ala Dillman, eventually you tip the absurdity scale and it becomes blatantly obvious even to laypeople.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/24/2015 7:10pm, .

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  • Ke?poFist
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    Long story short: If you think you can land a finger strike in someone's eye, but you suck so much that you can't land a punch on someone's face in a kickboxing or MMA match, you are delusional and should not be teaching martial arts.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    That video of Chiu Chi Ling is from this old documentary:

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  • Krijgsman
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    Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    That's Chiu Chi Ling, the Hung ga guy from Kung Fu Hustle and a Lam family grandmaster. He's done a lot of kung fu movies, probably one of the strongest men in kung fu cinema history.

    He runs a global Hung ga association.

    His form is almost the same format as the "American Shaolin" but like Fu Sheng he can actually start and end this thing invigorated, but in full control (especially of your breathing).

    It's not easy.

    I'm tired just watching the amount of tension he is holding in his body for the majority of that form.

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  • Moenstah
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    Originally posted by Kovacs View Post

    I think this guy's onto something.
    You mean 'on medication'?


    I think not.... or they need to increase the dose.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by FinalLegion View Post
    That's Chiu Chi Ling, the Hung ga guy from Kung Fu Hustle and a Lam family grandmaster. He's done a lot of kung fu movies, probably one of the strongest men in kung fu cinema history.

    He runs a global Hung ga association.

    His form is almost the same format as the "American Shaolin" but like Fu Sheng he can actually start and end this thing invigorated, but in full control (especially of your breathing).

    It's not easy.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/23/2015 1:13pm, .

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  • FinalLegion
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    Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Hey I know the entire Tiger Crane form too. I should just start calling myself "Grandmaster", why not.

    Grandmaster Wood Rabbit...I like the sound of that!

    Anybody interested in a real honest critique/breakdown of the "grandmaster"'s 108+ movement TIGER CRANE DOUBLE PATTERN FIST??? lol

    Seriously though...my Tang Fong form (in terms of routine) is mostly the same as his. Mostly. I can actually finish it without gassing. IMHO he's a little too Tiger and not enough Crane.

    Definitely not a Tang Fong version, probably Lam family. But definitely it's definitely a Hung ga-ish version.

    You don't get to see too many modern videos of people doing the whole thing online start to finish...obviously a really long form and endurance challenge, to say the least. From his breathing it sounds like he knows the routine, but isn't fully conditioned for it.

    So either he learned it a long time ago and hasn't kept it up, or he just learned it, and hasn't even mastered it.

    For comparison, here is someone who actually mastered the TIGER CRANE PAIRED FIST (the late, great Alexander Fu Sheng of Shaw Brothers fame)

    What do you think of this fellow?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VQW...eature=related

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  • Kovacs
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    I was about to chin this guy off as another chump who cannot grasp reason or logic until I reached the part about killing a bull with bare hands. Then then some part about a dude not eating for seven days and then killing a tiger. That is so fucking street it occurred in a prison camp which is basically the street with extra barbed wire.

    I think this guy's onto something.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    I made a major mistake, folks.

    It's not REJUVENATION OF THE FULFILLED CRANE, it's literally, ngaw hok cham ha, HUNGRY CRANE SEARCHES FOR SHRIMP, where you reach down, and try to mash or pluck someone's eyeball.

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  • Mr. Machette
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    Originally posted by Cake of Doom View Post
    Unless he's got a black belt (or equivalent) in Wang Chung, he ain't worth the time.

    Wang Chung > Mouth Boxing

    Everybody have fun tonight.

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  • Cake of Doom
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    Cheers WRabbit. That was interesting. As an aside, I can also recite that as a voice over to every Mortal Kombat victory.

    My son will never forgive you.

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  • MP9
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    Originally posted by BJMills View Post
    Honestly, if you agreed with just about anything he said you really need to spend a few months in a boxing gym. Or at least a good few weeks just to get the stupid beaten out of you.
    I disagree. I suppose I should say "I support parts of what he was saying at first." He was a bit right about several things.... just not completely right about them. He's right that kata aren't useless and aren't just dances. He's right that they teach mechanics and coordination.... albeit not with force IMO. Personally, I think they excel for teaching those just starting, to learn basic techniques and footwork of the system and later on to self-correct structure. Maybe other things I don't know yet.
    He's right that boxers typically don't practice enough bareknuckle bag work. Boxer's fracture, anyone?
    I don't remember if he said anything else that made sense or not.

    Maybe I was pleasantly surprised and that put me off guard.... But I still was expecting more stupidity than I saw, even including the classic "no rules" card and especially the implied death match challenges in the comments.

    And, for the record, I spar plenty. Even get hit sometimes, too, but probably not enough. Also for the record.... yes, I have lost on multiple occasions to very good... OK, even mediocre... boxers in boxing-style matches.

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  • W. Rabbit
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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by Cake of Doom View Post
    I'm interested.
    Starting with the dog kissing the camera..

    There are several of stages to what "Grandmaster" is doing. It appears to be a Hung Ga form, the same one Wong Fei Hung concocted using different pieces of his training (Village Hung Ga, Shaolin Five Animal, Iron Shirt, Five Element Fist, Seven Star Fist, Taoist Eight Drunken Immortals, etc).

    There is a beginning part where the Crane is static (ie standing). But his feet are together, so he skipped some things and his early stance is not the real Southern Chinese Crane or "adduction" stances that drop some weight onto the interior thighs, a type of "internal" training). That is "iron groin" type training, the kind of qigong the Shaolin monks still use to do all that crazy testicle hanging tricks. Done improperly, you can hurt yourself, which may explain why he doesn't do it (Lam Sai Wing would only teach that method to advanced students).

    Then the Tiger opens up (this is when he opens his legs up into the horse stance etc), but is still static. But by now he's already sort of used too much energy and not enough slow, dynamic tension (he's going too fast and hard basically), and this is a mistake...it sabotages the other 80% remaining to do.

    His first straight kicks start Crane movements in the diagonal directions, and repeat some of what was done static previously, while also introducing some open handed Snake techniques. He's still going too fast, and is getting tired. He is rushing the form now because he wants to finish fast.

    His third kick and movement towards the camera starts a sequence called the THOUSAND CHARACTER FIST, which is a fancy name for a combination of techniques practiced together sort of like this:

    Strike, push, grab, pull, throw/strike, break/pull, push, break/pull, strike, clinch, finished off by a flurry of uppercuts and a "through the sleeve" body jab.

    That's done twice, in one direction then in reverse, and finished off by CLOSING THE IRON GATE, a kick catching and-throw technique (you see this used a lot in San Shou).

    Typically at this point in the form you take one of those proper zen-breath moments...he doesn't appear to do that. It's usually important before beginning...

    ..the TEN TIGERS, which is exactly what it sounds like ten Tiger style movements involving grabbing/clawing and pulling and striking with the heel of the palm. These are grappling movements involving heavy use of the legs, so if you don't have gas by this point...you're done.

    Next is the moving Crane section (1:20), which includes the famous southern Fujian "White Crane Stands on One Leg" a feint+straight kick from The Karate Kid and a few UFC KO. Simple concept, really: hands (wings) fly up, but foot goes through. Real cranes actually fight like this.

    Also contains the eye-gouging/plucking technique from Kill Bill...because of how white cranes catch and eat shrimp with their beaks, this technique is called REJUVENATION OF THE FULFILLED CRANE. It's targeted at prone targets, which is really gruesome when you think about it. This is a technique for maiming and disabling downed combatants.

    Next some DRUNKEN BOXING techniques at 1:30, followed by the FIVE ELEMENT FIST, which is a combination of 5 different types of closed fist strike (underhand, underhand, overhand, uppercut, sideways). He's really gassing now, so he's just flying through this without a lot of control...these strikes should flow look clean and sharp in execution.

    That leads into the ending sequence, which involves some sweeps, arm drags/breaks, then a series of what I would call "hail mary" strikes and the DOUBLE BUTTERFLY PALM techniques which are open handed body strikes that target the ribs.

    Finally we SHOULD have seen the MO YING GERK or "No Shadow Kick", another famous Southern-style feint+kick. Similar to the White Crane on One Leg, but this one is done with only one hand and the opposite foot.

    But wait...he seems to skip the NO SHADOW KICK. Either he doesn't know it, or he was just too gassed at the end to remember it.

    I think he calls this "kata" in the followup video...the proper Canto for this is "kuen faat" or "fist set".
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/21/2015 2:28pm, .

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