Archery: Now a Live Martial Art

[goodlun]

I think the point of the game is to have fun.
They are not hunting or fighting or reenacting anything.
Bitching that it wouldn't work in the street is kind of like drinking orange juice and yelling "this coffee sucks".

More like claiming, Boxing, Judo, BJJ, MT, or the what not won't work on the street cause its not the same as the old battle field Martial Art.

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She takes issue with his methods (reviewing old art), but doesn't outright claim he's wrong, because he could be right just using an unreliable process (her argument is ancient artists may not have known a thing about archery either)).

In the historical fencing class I go to, there's a compilation of old books where we get the material, and some of the illustrations/woodcuts are clearly different than what's described (yesterday, the teacher showed me a pic where a guy has 2 right hands). Sometimes a martial artist is poor at drawing, sometimes a visual artist is poor at martial arts.

[W. Rabbit]

I think the point of the game is to have fun.
They are not hunting or fighting or reenacting anything.
Bitching that it wouldn't work in the street is kind of like drinking orange juice and yelling "this coffee sucks".

So you admit it's a game for fun, not a sport or a "live" martial art. That brings us square.

Honestly, a "sport" version of this, with people who actually train archery proper, and utilize actual squad tactics...now that would be really cool.

See my problem is having taken many bow safety courses, I keep thinking that if they were using real bows and arrows, they'd be killing their own teammates half the time from careless aim and wild shots.

[W. Rabbit]

More like claiming, Boxing, Judo, BJJ, MT, or the what not won't work on the street cause its not the same as the old battle field Martial Art.

But Archery Tag is not the Boxing/Judo/BJJ/MT of archery, archery is one of the oldest battlefield arts, and my argument is just that real archers and their training trumps Archery Tag in terms of being truer to the "martial art" related to archery, whether we're talking target competition, hunting, or even Lars' trick shots.

Archery Tag is more like LARPing, if anything, in the same way paintball is. It's role play in a mock battle using Nerf. That's why it's probably a lot of fun.

I'm not busting on it for not being realistic (it doesn't have to be to be fun), I'm pointing out there are a zillion ways to more realistically train with and use a bow (and that includes killing things with one).

If we saw a match of Archery Tag using real/serious/experienced archers especially those with experience with big game, I bet they'd be moving and shooting a lot more carefully, because that's how archers train for safety and accuracy. It wouldn't look nearly as fun or exciting, but only to some. To others it would look "real".

[goodlun]

Archery Tag is more like LARPing, if anything, in the same way paintball is. It's role play in a mock battle using Nerf. That's why it's probably a lot of fun.

I'm not busting on it for not being realistic (it doesn't have to be to be fun), I'm pointing out there are a zillion ways to more realistically train with and use a bow (and that includes killing things with one).

Here is the thing though, I am fairly sure your guy that goes and does Archery Tag with any sort of regularity is going to be more apt to kill an intruder in his house with a bow over say a hunter or a archery target shooter.

[W. Rabbit]

Here is the thing though, I am fairly sure your guy that goes and does Archery Tag with any sort of regularity is going to be more apt to kill an intruder in his house with a bow over say a hunter or a archery target shooter.

But why, especially if the Archery Target guy has never actually sunk a steel broad head into flesh.

A hunter, on the other hand, has not only sunk those broad heads, they've slit the throats, drained and disemboweled the carcass, mounted the rack, butchered the game, and if they're lucky, they have frozen venison to last for a whole season.

Maybe I'm just being a pighead, but the idea that running around that field with a bow and arrow makes you Katniss Everdeen or Hawkeye at home defense...I can't buy that.

[goodlun]

But why, especially if the Archery Target guy has never actually sunk a steel broad head into flesh.

A hunter, on the other hand, has not only sunk those broad heads, they've slit the throats, drained and disemboweled the carcass, mounted the rack, butchered the game, and if they're lucky, they have frozen venison to last for a whole season.

Maybe I'm just being a pighead, but the idea that running around that field with a bow and arrow makes you Katniss Everdeen or Hawkeye at home defense...I can't buy that.

Because like all competition if they are taking it serious they are operating the bow while under the fight or flight hormonal stress against targets that are shooting back at them in close quarters with cover and other obstetricals.

The problem is you only see it as some sort of silly game. Which one can play at it like that, but come on man they are now drug testing professional video game players for PEDS. People take this sort of shit serious. Yes you will have causals on the field but you will also have those guys that take it up that notch or 2.

[Mr. Machette]

So you admit it's a game for fun, not a sport or a "live" martial art. That brings us square.

Honestly, a "sport" version of this, with people who actually train archery proper, and utilize actual squad tactics...now that would be really cool.

See my problem is having taken many bow safety courses, I keep thinking that if they were using real bows and arrows, they'd be killing their own teammates half the time from careless aim and wild shots.

Call it what you want.

Frankly if poker or disk golf can be sports I don't see why this should be excluded.

You're only splitting hairs because it doesn't live up to your martial purist fantasies.

[W. Rabbit]

You're only splitting hairs because it doesn't live up to your martial purist fantasies.

Riiight.

Speaking of fantasies spoken to Coach Asin lately?

I know something you don't know...la la la la.

[Bneterasedmynam]

The only thing I would say that falls short on the archery tag is the draw weight. Shooting on the move with a bow that has a 60# draw is going to be a lot more difficult than one that has only 25-30. I have actually shot along side hunters at our local indoor ranges and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of their arrows. However I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of anyone trained to shoot.

[Bneterasedmynam]

But Archery Tag is not the Boxing/Judo/BJJ/MT of archery, archery is one of the oldest battlefield arts, and my argument is just that real archers and their training trumps Archery Tag in terms of being truer to the "martial art" related to archery, whether we're talking target competition, hunting, or even Lars' trick shots.

Archery Tag is more like LARPing, if anything, in the same way paintball is. It's role play in a mock battle using Nerf. That's why it's probably a lot of fun.

I'm not busting on it for not being realistic (it doesn't have to be to be fun), I'm pointing out there are a zillion ways to more realistically train with and use a bow (and that includes killing things with one).

If we saw a match of Archery Tag using real/serious/experienced archers especially those with experience with big game, I bet they'd be moving and shooting a lot more carefully, because that's how archers train for safety and accuracy. It wouldn't look nearly as fun or exciting, but only to some. To others it would look "real".

I don't know if I would put it in the same category as LARPing, it has pretty good competition in it.

[Mr. Machette]

Riiight.

Speaking of fantasies spoken to Coach Asin lately?

I know something you don't know...la la la la.

Not in weeks. Been traveling.

Yeah, you know what dog dicks taste like.

Start a MABS thread if you've got something to say, Furrphag.

[ermghoti]

You sons of bitches. I post guys pelting each other with padded arrows, leave for a couple hours, and when I come back, there's a motherfucking anthropology discussion happening.

[goodlun]

You sons of bitches. I post guys pelting each other with padded arrows, leave for a couple hours, and when I come back, there's a motherfucking anthropology discussion happening.

This is why I just dumped it into the junk thread when I came across it
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=124638&page=2

[W. Rabbit]

Start a MABS thread if you've got something to say, Furrphag.

Man, you still don't even understand how the fuck Bullshido.net works, and you've been here longer than me.

As if any old net ghost nobody would be worthy of a MABS thread. MABS threads are for real offenders. You're just a big liar. We'd need a billion new threads to cover

At least I'm an honest nobody. At least when challenged to prove claims, I do it.

You've made so many claims, and you prove practically nothing. When pressed you just jump in a foxhole.