Going from Krav to BJJ ... some thoughts

[Mon Mon]

If you don't like MMA/BJJ you could always study Ameri-Do-Te it might be more up to what your looking for
:P

[DicaxStultux]

Ball shots don't bother me especially bad. It's never caused me to stop sparing\fighting. Granted I have never been nut shoted by a Muay Thai Champ.
I do find it interesting that the only nut shot victories in mma i could find came after they were made illeagal and it was the dude that got kicked that won by disqualification.
There was the Gary g. Fight where he went for the monkey steals a peach move for like a 1/2 hour. He still didn't get the testicle ko.

"Testicle KO" made me laugh hard enough to wake up my pet rats, so here's a story. I knew this kid once, he moved up here from New Orleans about a decade ago because of that dicksucking hurricane, and he loved soccer. Friendly, quiet white kid with a big brown mushroom afro thing going on. Well, one day, down on the field, he was taking a break, relaxing, having a good ol' time, when this little blonde chick sprints across the fucking field to him, hauls off, and kicks him square in the fucking balls, with her goddamned shinguards. My poor friend (I used to call him the Scorpion, because I'd sing "Rock You Like a Hurricane" whenever I saw him) hit the fucking ground, and hurled hardcore. When he could finally walk after 20 minutes of agony, he ran off to take an hour-long shit. Poor guy.

You are a shitty person and part of the problem.

Ya know, Monkey, I got to thinking about what you said a while ago about how my sensei didn't have to associate with the McDojo he did, and my initial reaction was anger, and I wanted to defend his choices. After thinking about it, I realize, you're right. He had other choices. I knew of an excellent Shorin-ryu instructor that taught out of his garage. Some of my best lessons were at parks in secluded areas. He didn't need to associate with a McDojo, even if it was a nice facility. He could've just done it more informally, and let word-of-mouth get around about him. He'd probably still be in business if he had. I learned a great deal from him, and I don't regret a second of my training, but, yeah, he should never have sullied himself by associating with a fucking fraudulent piece of shit like that.

[Raycetpfl]

[QUOTE=DicaxStultux;2866026]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

[Permalost]

I do find it interesting that the only nut shot victories in mma i could find came after they were made illeagal and it was the dude that got kicked that won by disqualification.

What about Keith Hackney vs Joe Son?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVr2T_cBA_s

[DicaxStultux]

[QUOTE=Raycetpfl;2866030]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

Interesting science behind it. Talk about a low-percentage technique. I guess being Kenshiro is still out of the question :(

[DicaxStultux]

What about Keith Hackney vs Joe Son?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVr2T_cBA_s

What was that Polish boxer's name who could only throw low blows? It was like, shovel to the abs, to the dick, to the dick, to the disqualification. He was a big fucking heavyweight.

[Raycetpfl]

What was that Polish boxer's name who could only throw low blows? It was like, shovel to the abs, to the dick, to the dick, to the disqualification. He was a big fucking heavyweight.

Joe son weathered the nut shots. He fought for a while after those shots go watch it again. It's a hilarious fight . Joe son is fucking horrible. 0 wins his whole career. https://youtu.be/gIJLEmITPtg

Andrew glotta-I am of polish decent. I really wanted him to have the belt. That is an example of the recipient of the blow being the winner by dq.

[Raycetpfl]

He also bite some times. Even when he was winning...... and some times he cried :-(

[W. Rabbit]

There was the Gary g. Fight where he went for the monkey steals a peach move for like a 1/2 hour. He still didn't get the testicle ko.

That's not "Monkey Steals the Peach". There is a real technique by that name, but it's not for attacking the groin.

[Raycetpfl]

That's not "Monkey Steals the Peach". There is a real technique by that name, but it's not for attacking the groin.

I will refer to the Gary G. Technique as "orangutan shoplifting a banna" henceforth. What does the real monkey steals a peach attack? Because if there was ever a technique name that sounds like ball grabbing it's that.

[W. Rabbit]

I will refer to the Gary G. Technique as "orangutan shoplifting a banna" henceforth. What does the real monkey steals a peach attack? Because if there was ever a technique name that sounds like ball grabbing it's that.

But peaches grow on trees, so naturally you'd reach up to get one, not down.

The real technique (Hau Gee Tao Toe in Cantonese, literally "Monkey Steals a Peach") is a wrist grab, arm drag and weight drop, combined with a rising elbow to the opponent's elbow joint.

The basic idea is as you arm drag and drop your weight via footwork, your elbow goes up and through the opponent's hyperextended elbow joint as you "steal the peach".

Hung ga is full of these type of "pull while striking" joint attacks. Done with the right timing (or even the element of surprise), this technique is pretty nasty, so it ended up being known as a "Killing Hand" in Southern China, even though it's obviously not particularly lethal or "d34dly".

It's basically a dirty wrestling move for injuring your opponent. It's actually easy to practice with progressive resistance, pummeling etc, as long as the person trying to apply it isn't stupid about things, like any good armlock-type attack you need to be careful with your training partner on this one.

Like other strikes to the major joints, it's illegal in almost every rule set I can think of. I know this type of attack is explicitly illegal in ammy MMA, doing it would get you DQ'd. Rising elbows are OK in pro MMA, Kyokushin etc, but typically those are going for the KO, not to destroy a limb, which quite frankly, is not very sportsmanlike.

Artist's rendition circa early 20th century.

[DicaxStultux]

But peaches grow on trees, so naturally you'd reach up to get one, not down.

The real technique (Hau Gee Tao Toe in Cantonese) is a wrist grab, arm drag and weight drop, combined with a rising elbow to the opponent's elbow joint.

The basic idea is as you arm drag and drop your weight via footwork, your elbow goes up and through the opponent's hyperextended elbow joint as you "steal the peach".

Hung ga is full of these type of "pull while striking" joint attacks. Done with the right timing (or even the element of surprise), this technique is pretty nasty, so it ended up being known as a "Killing Hand" in Southern China, even though it's obviously not particularly lethal or "d34dly".

It's basically a dirty wrestling move for injuring your opponent. It's actually easy to practice with resistance, as long as the person trying to apply it isn't stupid about thing, like any good armlock-type attack you need to be careful with your training partner on this one.

Artist's rendition circa early 20th century.

[W. Rabbit]

Hard to really see the technique in this static pose but you can sort of see the body alignment. One hand long, one short, one hand high, one low is the motto for this one.

It takes a lot of core and leg and arm strength training to use these effectively, or even sit in the static poses for more than a few seconds. Some of the early stance work in Hung ga is devoted to it, because if you can't support your own weight doing these, good luck trying to support yours+your opponent's weight. These are used for sprawling, bridging, clinching, setting up throws etc or just a good old fashioned Tiger Claw to the face.



A similar technique, Black Tiger Claw Method ("black" because the striking hand is the left, obviously).

[DicaxStultux]

Hard to really see the technique in this static pose but you can sort of see the body alignment. One hand long, one short, one hand high, one low is the motto for this one.

It takes a lot of core and leg and arm strength training to use these effectively, or even sit in the static poses for more than a few seconds. Some of the early stance work in Hung ga is devoted to it, because if you can't support your own weight doing these, good luck trying to support yours+your opponent's weight. These are used for sprawling, bridging, clinching, setting up throws etc or just a good old fashioned Tiger Claw to the face.



A similar technique, Black Tiger Claw Method ("black" because the striking hand is the left, obviously).

[W. Rabbit]

Make sure the Hung ga school has at least one class a week devoted to San Da or San Shou. Better yet, a find one with a dedicated San Shou comp team, including an instructor with coaching experience. They are out there, internationally (US, UK, Asia, Europe).

Some Hung ga instructors have fight coaching/comp experience, some don't but can still train you properly in the art if they've trained right themselves and are any good at teaching it. YMMV.

Medical care and injury prevention/management is a big part of Hung ga especially teaching it. I am kind of cautious about sifus that don't really know the "safe" ways to teach things, or who wouldn't know what to do if you someone broke a bone. That goes for everything including the basics. You can get injured training in Hung ga on a variety of levels. Wong Fei Hung's clinic Po Chi Lam (actually his father's before him) was devoted to combat injuries, a sort of Kung Fu ER. If you train Hung ga with any sort of contact or aliveness you will understand fast why this is. It's really no different than a boxing gym etc. You would never box at a place with no first aid or somebody playing medic.

That's a hallmark of the Five Family arts, a focus on both the physical martial arts as well as healing, medicine, etc associated with fight training. Most of the advanced stuff learned in Hung ga is not even technique, it's meditation, massage, liniments, brewing "hit medicine", bone setting, etc. This material was passed down family lineages because it had such broad purpose, not just in fisticuffs.