Going from Krav to BJJ ... some thoughts

[Raycetpfl]

[QUOTE=DicaxStultux;2866026]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

[DicaxStultux]

Ball shots don't bother me especially bad. It's never caused me to stop sparing\fighting. Granted I have never been nut shoted by a Muay Thai Champ.
I do find it interesting that the only nut shot victories in mma i could find came after they were made illeagal and it was the dude that got kicked that won by disqualification.
There was the Gary g. Fight where he went for the monkey steals a peach move for like a 1/2 hour. He still didn't get the testicle ko.

"Testicle KO" made me laugh hard enough to wake up my pet rats, so here's a story. I knew this kid once, he moved up here from New Orleans about a decade ago because of that dicksucking hurricane, and he loved soccer. Friendly, quiet white kid with a big brown mushroom afro thing going on. Well, one day, down on the field, he was taking a break, relaxing, having a good ol' time, when this little blonde chick sprints across the fucking field to him, hauls off, and kicks him square in the fucking balls, with her goddamned shinguards. My poor friend (I used to call him the Scorpion, because I'd sing "Rock You Like a Hurricane" whenever I saw him) hit the fucking ground, and hurled hardcore. When he could finally walk after 20 minutes of agony, he ran off to take an hour-long shit. Poor guy.

You are a shitty person and part of the problem.

Ya know, Monkey, I got to thinking about what you said a while ago about how my sensei didn't have to associate with the McDojo he did, and my initial reaction was anger, and I wanted to defend his choices. After thinking about it, I realize, you're right. He had other choices. I knew of an excellent Shorin-ryu instructor that taught out of his garage. Some of my best lessons were at parks in secluded areas. He didn't need to associate with a McDojo, even if it was a nice facility. He could've just done it more informally, and let word-of-mouth get around about him. He'd probably still be in business if he had. I learned a great deal from him, and I don't regret a second of my training, but, yeah, he should never have sullied himself by associating with a fucking fraudulent piece of shit like that.

[Mon Mon]

If you don't like MMA/BJJ you could always study Ameri-Do-Te it might be more up to what your looking for
:P

[Raycetpfl]

If you get attacked in 5yrs time in a park at night by 4 guys with knives your gonna regret your decision.

These guys are wearing cups

Looks like it still hurts quite a bit

Ball shots don't bother me especially bad. It's never caused me to stop sparing\fighting. Granted I have never been nut shoted by a Muay Thai Champ.
I do find it interesting that the only nut shot victories in mma i could find came after they were made illeagal and it was the dude that got kicked that won by disqualification.
There was the Gary g. Fight where he went for the monkey steals a peach move for like a 1/2 hour. He still didn't get the testicle ko.

[BackFistMonkey]

Yes I do. And... yes, I do... although I wonder why you think so? Just don't like the field or the types associated with it?

You ask me why I say that? Did you forget this little bit you shared"

I actually still work for the guy he does ALL the firearms training for, so in the interest of keeping my job I'll keep that information to myself...

You really can't figure out why I would hope you aren't in an industry where peoples lives are on the line.

Not entirely fair, given the job market for jackasses who never got a degree. Could I get a job as a fry cook instead? Sure... but aren't bankruptcy claims a bad thing?
It's true that associating with bullshit is a choice, but.... the company I'm actually working for isn't bullshit. THEY choose to associate with bullshit, not me. Mr. Badass is a contracted instructor, and as far as I'm concerned Mr. Badass can continue to screw other people out of their money because I'm not a part of his company.

You are a shitty person and part of the problem.

[PDA]

If you get attacked in 5yrs time in a park at night by 4 guys with knives your gonna regret your decision.

[DicaxStultux]

You should find a purple belt on their competition team. Explain to him what a bunch of pussies they all are at his school and ask him if he wants to go full tilt with you. Explain to him that Krav is superior in every way and you would love to show him.
If someone from a Krav school did this for/to me nothing would make me happier. I am sure he will be happy for the free lesson that you are offering.

It's really too bad he won't, but the real tragedy? We don't have someone there with a camera if he got up the sack to actually do it.

[Raycetpfl]

I have four years of Krav Maga experience but I had to stop a few months back when my teacher left. I also have a brown belt in Judo but have not been in a judo dojo in about 15 years.

This week, I decided to sign up for a free week at a local BJJ school and I don't think I'm going to fit in there.

During a two hour class on Saturday, I was told by three different partners that I was either going 'too rough' or I shouldn't grab their gi so hard or I need to be careful while sparing because I 'almost punched' a guy when I went to grab the neck of his gi. Also, people were freaking out if you came within a few feet of them while you were grappling with your partner.

Tonight, my partner (a fellow white belt) asked me not to grab his gi so hard because it was scratching his arm. Later I was practicing a sweep and when I got on top of him, he told me I was going 'too hard.'

In my Krav class, people got hit in the nose and face regularly. A little blood would get spilled every few weeks but we just cleaned it up and continued with the lesson. No one seemed to mind. Guys (or gals) would shake hands to show that they were alright and no one got pissy about being hit. If you did, then you didn't stick around too long at this school.

On the other hand, this bjj school seems to be very competition oriented. Is it typical that the guys there would be such prima donnas and complain about little things like having their gi grabbed too hard? I am looking to use bjj to round out my self defense repertoire so I'm pretty serious about pushing hard when practicing a technique and using explosive power to my advantage. My experience at this bjj school thus far seems to indicate that the guys there are not willing to work with someone who wants to go full tilt - in other words, the same way you would react to a situation in the street if you happen to find yourself on the ground.

I have to say that after a few days with these bjj guys really makes me miss my old krav teacher and class. It's a real effin shame.

After typing this whole thing out, I think I'm pretty sure I won't sign a long term contract with this bjj school. Doesn't seem like a good fit for someone interested in self-defense. BJJ actually seems like a waste of time unless you're interested in trophies or going into the UFC.

You should find a purple belt on their competition team. Explain to him what a bunch of pussies they all are at his school and ask him if he wants to go full tilt with you. Explain to him that Krav is superior in every way and you would love to show him.
If someone from a Krav school did this for/to me nothing would make me happier. I am sure he will be happy for the free lesson that you are offering.

[W. Rabbit]

The single most influential factor in getting into fights is typically age. Here's just one sample population: Spanish night life. Fight statistics skyrocket for the under 25 crowd.

1 in 4 get into fights, 1 in 10 get attacked, and 1 in 20 carry weapons. These are all statistically significant numbers.

according to a research study carried out by the European Institute of Studies on Prevention. The study shows that 5.2% of young people carry weapons when they go out at night, 11.6% have been attacked or threatened, and 23% have got into a fight at some time.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-2oy111110.php

The older you get the less often you fight. So it goes for humans, and the entire animal kingdom. Fights are common among younger and early adult species and taper off significantly for elders.

For humans it's easy to see that mid-life (50+) is the demarc point where it significantly tapers off. Chances are you're not going out as much, not taking part in pro combat sports.

So a teen, 20, 30, or even 40 something has a decent chance, pro fighter or not, of getting into a fight for some reason. By 50 those reasons will have dwindled, by 60 fighting should be relatively rare, and beyond it starts to become impossible without serious injury.

There are always exceptions (usually military men) like Buzz Aldrin who are in their 80s, who have no problem popping a guy half their age in the mouth. But it's ultra rare (and of course, ultra awesome)

[Locu5]

i expect most pro fighters have the same level of litigation aversion as other paid athletes, so barring the ven diagram intersection of fighters with issues, this is in the minority.

[NeilG]

I'd be curious to know whether pro fighters are more likely to get involved in a fight to start with. Are they less likely due to not having to prove anything to anybody? Are they more likely, due to being inherently aggressive people? Are they less likely, due to people not wanting to fuck with them? Are they more likely, due to people wanting to test them out?

I speculate that once they find themselves in a fight, the other dude gets obliterated most of the time.

I expect there are no stats on this...

[Devil]

One of the many reasons why the best pro fighters in the world are more likely to die in a street fight than lesser fighters

I know you have some statistics to back this up, right? Because otherwise, it would mean you're just talking out of your ass. And I'm sure you would never talk out of your ass.

[DicaxStultux]

You are never "stuck" with bullshit. You choose to associate with bullshit. Like MP9 up there.

Choices choices.

I never was entirely sure of the circumstances, but the MA scene here was desolate. The conviction of an instructor for manufacturing child pornography (My old Shinkendo sensei, no less) annihilated most of the schools by association. My karate sensei had a choice of either not teaching, or teaching at his own school with the sponsorship of a local, successful fraud until he was able to split away and keep all of his students, many of whom had already transferred to his school for the better quality of training.

[Wing-Kwan-Fu]

Isn't self defense training supposed to do the opposite of [making you paranoid]?

Nope; the greatest function of self defense training is that it teaches you that you have no idea who can kick your ass and how, so that you choose to avoid fights. (One of the many reasons why the best pro fighters in the world are more likely to die in a street fight than lesser fighters: they are less likely to learn this.)

Not to defend RBSD...

[MP9]

I really hope you don't work in any sort of instruction, self defense, security, or martially related field. If so you need a new job.

Yes I do. And... yes, I do... although I wonder why you think so? Just don't like the field or the types associated with it?

You are never "stuck" with bullshit. You choose to associate with bullshit. Like MP9 up there.

Choices choices.

Not entirely fair, given the job market for jackasses who never got a degree. Could I get a job as a fry cook instead? Sure... but aren't bankruptcy claims a bad thing?
It's true that associating with bullshit is a choice, but.... the company I'm actually working for isn't bullshit. THEY choose to associate with bullshit, not me. Mr. Badass is a contracted instructor, and as far as I'm concerned Mr. Badass can continue to screw other people out of their money because I'm not a part of his company.