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    #61
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    Last edited by 1point2; 8/15/2015 11:17am, . Reason: SORRY

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      #62
      Originally posted by 1point2 View Post
      Rabbit, there's a distinction being made here about Moore that you are not noticing. It affects this discussion and perhaps many others.

      Simply participating in full-contact matches warrants only a limited amount of respect.

      That's it.
      Most of your post I don't disagree with, however...sorry, but stop your shit already, and everyone else too.

      You're being obtuse, for using that logic to defend a random asshat calling one of William Cheung's most respected students a fat, deluded hack.

      See, this is the problem with ingratiating the behavior of noobs, in your quest to adhere to some standard of quality of your own, you're supporting that sort of asshattery. I don't have to spend time looking up dick about his boxing or any other records, YOU HAVE VIDEO of the guy fighting. You have VIDEO of his students fighting. You have BULLSHIDO THREADS where people post info on his full contact experiences. Sorry it's too short for you but damn dude, yours is not that much better or longer.

      We're done here, I've proven everything I said. Moore has competed, fought, trains, runs a decent Wing Chun school, is one of the most recognized sifus in the US, and is too nice of a guy to be "reproached", if that's what you call it, in this fashion.

      Not with logic, reason, or rationality, but with disgusting, juvenile internet buffoonery. As a judoka you should be fucking above such horseshit, Dr. Kano would smack your ass silly for being such a twat.

      Like I said, BS.net or 4chan. Choose wis3ly.
      Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/15/2015 10:04pm, .

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        #63
        Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
        Most of your post I don't disagree with, however...sorry, but stop your shit already, and everyone else too.

        You're being obtuse, for using that logic to defend a random asshat calling one of William Cheung's most respected students a fat, deluded hack.

        See, this is the problem with ingratiating the behavior of noobs, in your quest to adhere to some standard of quality of your own, you're supporting that sort of asshattery. I don't have to spend time looking up dick about his boxing or any other records, YOU HAVE VIDEO of the guy fighting. You have VIDEO of his students fighting. You have BULLSHIDO THREADS where people post info on his full contact experiences. Sorry it's too short for you but damn dude, yours is not that much better or longer.

        We're done here, I've proven everything I said. Moore has competed, fought, trains, runs a decent Wing Chun school, is one of the most recognized sifus in the US, and is too nice of a guy to be "reproached", if that's what you call it, in this fashion.

        Not with logic, reason, or rationality, but with disgusting, juvenile internet buffoonery. As a judoka you should be fucking above such horseshit, Dr. Kano would smack your ass silly for being such a twat.

        Like I said, BS.net or 4chan. Choose wis3ly.
        I am sorry to say you are wrong here. Which is why I reminded you that you were terrible. Yes you stepped up, yes you performed horribly, yes you showed almost zero striking and throwing skill. But you have the balls to test yourself.

        Same thing for other people.

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          #64
          Hahaha, I knew this whole thing was a segue into a wabbit argument from authority, just like "doing BJJ".
          Stfu wabbit, you still suck.

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            #65
            I said we're done.

            You just don't listen, so I guess 4chan it is.

            Pathetic!!

            I expect better from supposed adherents of Kano Jigoro and Helio Gracie.
            Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/15/2015 11:59pm, .

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              #66
              Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
              I said we're done.

              You just don't listen, so I guess 4chan it is.

              Pathetic!!

              I expect better from supposed adherents of Kano Jigoro and Helio Gracie.
              Hmm? Why did you expect better? From the abuse the Japanese Women's Judo team suffered at the hands of their Judoka coach to Osiris/the Villain's expose of IBJJF and the Gracie Academy's promotion of a 16-year old to instructor status, why did you expect better?

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                #67
                Originally posted by baby_cart View Post
                Hmm? Why did you expect better? From the abuse the Japanese Women's Judo team suffered at the hands of their Judoka coach to Osiris/the Villain's expose of IBJJF and the Gracie Academy's promotion of a 16-year old to instructor status, why did you expect better?
                I stand corrected. Finally.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                  one of William Cheung's most respected students
                  irrelevant; don't care

                  Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                  YOU HAVE VIDEO of the guy fighting.
                  not really? and that's what i just said? maybe you should read my post?

                  Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                  You have VIDEO of his students fighting.
                  yeah, and the student looked good, which i said and congratulated him on. that doesn't mean Moore's own skills can't be questioned or criticized.

                  Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                  You have BULLSHIDO THREADS where people post info on his full contact experiences.
                  gosh, i don't remember a link to those threads. one of the ways i convince people of my point of view is by presenting the evidence that caused me to take my point of view.

                  Moore...is too nice of a guy to be "reproached"
                  RED FLAG

                  As a judoka you should be fucking above such horseshit
                  my judo coach taught me to call bullshit when i see it, and to throw people to the ground and choke them. if you object to the first then let's meet up and do the second. some restrictions may apply, see store for details, offer does not constitute one of those stupid bullshido "challenges", not valid in some jurisdictions.

                  remember: competing in judo tournaments does not mean my haraigoshi is any good. my student doing well in thai boxing does not mean i am a good thai boxer.

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                    #69
                    Delusional Fuckery straight from Shi-fu Shannon Moore

                    http://www.wckungfu.com/index.cfm?page=7

                    "Sparring
                    The purpose of this class is to develop "FUNCTIONAL" fighting skills for competition. While skills developed in this class can be useful in self-defense. it is in no way a self defense training program.

                    Self- Defense requires techniques designed to maim,disable or permanently stop an assailant in a life threatening situation were imminent personal danger CANNOT be avoided. The techniques are fast.destructive and are aimed at the weak and vital organs of the body. A self defense encounter is about survival and should never last longer then 30 seconds.

                    "Sparring" be it for attribute and skill development in amateur or professional competition utilizes safety rules and protective gear. It utilizes techniques that score, knockdown or knockout an opponent and/or control or submit an "opponent". Sparring is done over a number of rounds for a specific amount of time usually three to five minutes per round depending on the number of rounds.(Usually as low as three rounds and as high as twelve)The extended combat time as well as the control and safety precautions allow for the opportunity to develop a variety of skill based movements and strategies.

                    Sparring aides in teaching the student the timing needed in a fluid and constantly changing environment against non co-operative opponents. It can also develop the students confidence and willingness to engage an opponent in competition. Sparring, if approached correctly, can crystallize for a student what type of energy and techniques are best suited for competition and that which are not.

                    The student learns how to apply the concepts and strategies of his system and express them in a non-lethal way . Thus he learns how to adapt and modify his approach to fit the opponent and environment that he is in. Sparring is a extremely valuable tool for real martial skill development BUT ONLY if approached and understood in the right context of what it is and what it is not.

                    The students safety MUST be the primary concern when sparring. Thus, all sparring classes will be supervised with experienced trainers and done with protective gear to ensure the proper learning environment and martial ethic. "

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                      I said we're done.

                      You just don't listen, so I guess 4chan it is.

                      Pathetic!!

                      I expect better from supposed adherents of Kano Jigoro and Helio Gracie.

                      I don't know if you know this guy or what, but you seem to have mistaken this for the nice forum where batting your t-rex arms at fawning students half your size is "Full contact competition"

                      Show me a video of this guy in an actual, full length match with knockout as an intentional win condition against an actual athlete anywhere close to his weight.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by JohnnyCache View Post
                        I don't know if you know this guy or what, but you seem to have mistaken this for the nice forum where batting your t-rex arms at fawning students half your size is "Full contact competition"
                        That wasn't the full contact competition, obviously. There is the old kuoshu highlights video, which I found by searching for and reading a Bullshido thread.

                        In the same thread, Auslander appeared to give the school a thumb's up, but that could just have been my own interpretation. You should ask him yourself, their schools are only about 20 miles apart.

                        Originally posted by JohnnyCache View Post
                        Show me a video of this guy in an actual, full length match with knockout as an intentional win condition against an actual athlete anywhere close to his weight.
                        I also posted he had a semi pro boxing career, which I also learned reading an older Bullshido thread. I have no idea if there is video of this, or some sort of record, nor do I have a reason to go looking.

                        You can find the threads, videos, etc on your own, I'm sure! Who knows what his boxing record was, it still qualifies as full contact in addition to clips of him at kuoshu.

                        When I said we're done, I mean don't expect me to do any more of your own work for you. Find the threads, if you're so interested, I'm moving on. Keep asking I will repeat myself over and over.

                        I don't care if it loses a rhetorical debate on the subject, but I do hope the ad nausea of it annoys the fuck out of you eventually.

                        Seriously, do your own investigation or fact finding, or no one will take your charges seriously. I don't mean Bullshido members, I mean the objective anybody who reads this thread.

                        "LOL FAT SIFU" is just too beneath Bullshido especially when it comes from a Newbietown thread ..Youtube does it better.

                        adeus
                        Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/17/2015 1:55pm, .

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                          #72
                          [QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2864864]don't expect me to do any more of your own work for you
                          He who maketh the claim shall provideth the proof.
                          Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                          no one will take your charges seriously
                          What charges? No one cared about this dude until you took a throwaway comment as reason to defend his honor.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Azatdawn View Post
                            don't expect me to do any more of your own work for you
                            He who maketh the claim shall provideth the proof.
                            This is your own ad nauseum, repeating that the fact that I dug up information (using Bullshido) on his kuoshu and boxing background (there's other stuff in his bio like wrestling), it JUST wasn't good enough.

                            Fine do the extra legwork yourself, fatty. Stop trying to tickle my OCD bone, I did enough. In fact, I usually do more than enough. At least Monkey went and grabbed a page he could pick apart, without going the ad hom route. Notice I didn't give a shit what he posted, either.

                            Originally posted by Azatdawn View Post
                            What charges? No one cared about this dude until you took a throwaway comment as reason to defend his honor.
                            Wrong. If the comments had been about Wing Chun I found not have said a word.

                            Moore has been trolled about his *weight* on multiple martial arts forums.

                            In fact, I'm fairly confident I traced Bobby (the guy who did it here) pegged as an old KFM troll, who was doing it years ago (also from Toronto Canada).

                            There's more here than meets the eye, as usual. I'm just doing what's right, as usual.
                            Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/17/2015 2:12pm, .

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                              That wasn't the full contact competition, obviously. There is the old kuoshu highlights video, which I found by searching for and reading a Bullshido thread.

                              In the same thread, Auslander appeared to give the school a thumb's up, but that could just have been my own interpretation. You should ask him yourself, their schools are only about 20 miles apart.



                              I also posted he had a semi pro boxing career, which I also learned reading an older Bullshido thread. I have no idea if there is video of this, or some sort of record, nor do I have a reason to go looking.

                              You can find the threads, videos, etc on your own, I'm sure! Who knows what his boxing record was, it still qualifies as full contact in addition to clips of him at kuoshu.

                              When I said we're done, I mean don't expect me to do any more of your own work for you. Find the threads, if you're so interested, I'm moving on. Keep asking I will repeat myself over and over.

                              I don't care if it loses a rhetorical debate on the subject, but I do hope the ad nausea of it annoys the fuck out of you eventually.

                              Seriously, do your own investigation or fact finding, or no one will take your charges seriously. I don't mean Bullshido members, I mean the objective anybody who reads this thread.

                              "LOL FAT SIFU" is just too beneath Bullshido especially when it comes from a Newbietown thread ..Youtube does it better.

                              adeus

                              OK, first thing?

                              Nothing is beneath us. We're proud scum.
                              Second, no one made any "charges" except maybe that he's a fucking goofball.
                              Stop trying to bury the faintest pushback against anything you say under a mound of pedantic nonsense.

                              As for him "plowing through" a dad-bod isshinryu guy, so the fuck what? That's how "kung fu is supposed to work?" It supposed to be tuned to let you come over the waist high guard of people who are crippled by years of no-face-punch training? It's the perfect system for fighting in a garage gym full of confirmation bias? that's how it's "supposed" to work?

                              As far as making fun of fat sifus, I ain't rocking no six pack. I'm fat as fuck. But I like to think if was paid to be in the fitness and exercise world, I would probably have a BMI under 50

                              I don't know what "Semi-Pro" boxing he has done. I don't know what that term means. I have used it to refer to toughman-style boxing. He must have developed the habit of leaning forward and leading with his temples after that, though.
                              Last edited by JohnnyCache; 8/17/2015 2:43pm, .

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by JohnnyCache View Post
                                OK, first thing?

                                Nothing is beneath us. We're proud scum.
                                Second, no one made any "charges" except maybe that he's a fucking goofball.
                                Stop trying to bury the faintest pushback against anything you say under a mound of pedantic nonsense.
                                Here's the part you missed. You're welcome.

                                http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=124749

                                I exposed a real troll (possibly two). By real I mean not in Bullshido's best interests. He did something intentional to insert himself into the Bullshido fold and threw his set in the air, but I identified him, and pounced. He already left, but the echoes of his bullshit is what your boots are stuck in.

                                So, just pull your shit kickers out of this mess, is my advice. Moore has already been discussed/trolled/respected/questioned for years online. There are such bigger fish to fry right now... write the most cynical write up you can... there are worthier subjects than those being trolled by internet sadists for years, and fat shamed online.

                                I won't be a part of that and won't stay silent when I see it.

                                Sorry, especially when it's not in the community's best interests.
                                Last edited by W. Rabbit; 8/17/2015 3:02pm, .

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