Cobra Kai or Mr. Miyagi

[Sovvolf]

I was sat in the living room the other night, watching Karate Kid with my fiancee, eating junk and chilling out. The movie came to the scene where you're inside the Cobra Kai gym and watching them train.

For a moment it kind of hit me, while this movie seems to be building Creasey up as the bad guy and is trying to show off his gym and training as being very brutal and very strict. I thought to myself, you know what... He's actually a pretty good teacher aside from the being nuts part.

The training is hard and brutal (which it kind of should be) and he heavily promotes pragmatism and hard full contact sparring. He doesn't mess around with all the wax on wax off crap. He has his students train hard, spar hard and I can totally see why his students win often at competitions.

All I'm saying is, if I was training to toughen up and learn how to fight, this is the gym I'd want to go to as opposed to Miyagis really unorthodox ways of training.

I'm not sure if this is something that's been done before but I'd like to hear your thoughts and who would you prefer to be taught by.

[goodlun]

Well let be honest int real world the Mr. Miyagi method isn't all that effective.
Heck I am not to sure if it really works all that well in the movie world either.
Daniel really did get his ass kicked at the tournament. He won but he got his ass kicked.
Then the went on to make 2 other movies where he basically gets his ass kicked some more.
All that being said though Mr. Miyagi is a pretty fucking cool dude. I think I would actually rather train with him seeing how I could totally use a surrogate father.

[Hadzu]

Hmm, do I wanna paint fences and do kata with a flaky Japanese man, or do I want stupidly rough and antagonistic training from a spazzy blonde guy and his coterie of guffawing nimrods?

Is it too late to sign up to be The Jiu-Jitsu Kid or something instead? Hell, I'd settle for The Judo Kid. Aikido Kid would be pushing it.

[goodlun]

On the other hand the Cobra Kai guy sucked so bad that the Crane Kick actually worked on him so their is always that to consider

[Sovvolf]

Hmm, do I wanna paint fences and do kata with a flaky Japanese man, or do I want stupidly rough and antagonistic training from a spazzy blonde guy and his coterie of guffawing nimrods?

Is it too late to sign up to be The Jiu-Jitsu Kid or something instead? Hell, I'd settle for The Judo Kid. Aikido Kid would be pushing it.

No but if you're looking for a third option, we do have Wing Chun kid set right up as an alternative in situations like this...

[Permalost]

Wounded Ronin started a thread about this like 10 years ago:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22147

[Sovvolf]

On the other hand the Cobra Kai guy sucked so bad that the Crane Kick actually worked on him so their is always that to consider

He also lost to a dude with a few months training tops, who also had a broken leg... No wonder Creasey was pissed at the end.

However, put into reality, Daniel San would have been lucky to get out of the first fight, if he was even allowed to compete in the first place...

Wounded Ronin started a thread about this like 10 years ago:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22147

Looks like I'm fairly late to the punch. Still, with maybe fresh faces and fresh minds it would be an interesting threat to see what we all now think on the movie.

[goodlun]

No but if you're looking for a third option, we do have Wing Chun kid set right up as an alternative in situations like this...

Sort of like this?

[Sovvolf]

Sort of like this?

Yes only now you're training with this guy instead of Jackie Chan

https://youtu.be/9_3F6Zwbp9E

or this guy

https://youtu.be/4xnXKLhLje4

[goodlun]

I actually am going to have to pick this guy


although this guy here comes a very close 2nd

[Hadzu]

On the other hand the Cobra Kai guy sucked so bad that the Crane Kick actually worked on him so their is always that to consider

Yeah, I guess Miyagi has that going for him; in whatever bizarre reality he inhabits, his training does seem to yield results. I'm still not sure I'd wanna train with him, I mean if I could get better at kicking people in the face by cleaning cars, I might just opt to sit around and jerk off 8 hours a day so I can represent my country in archery in the olympics. Because that's how that works.

No but if you're looking for a third option, we do have Wing Chun kid set right up as an alternative in situations like this...

I'd be willing to settle for Krav Maga Kid, and that's my final offer.

[goodlun]

Yeah, I guess Miyagi has that going for him; in whatever bizarre reality he inhabits, his training does seem to yield results. I'm still not sure I'd wanna train with him, I mean if I could get better at kicking people in the face by cleaning cars,

Hey the kick learned to Paint Fences wash cars, build a deck, and got a sweat fucking car for his 16th birthday. All and all not a bad deal.

But lets open this up to some awesome fictional trainers that are not DBZ crazy.

Like this guy here



He trained a 17 year old that is 4"8 and 107 lbs to KO Tyson at his Prime.
As well as a host of other crazy as characters.

I mean he is obviously the master of timing and using his whole body to produce power.

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I think the most annoying part of the series was when the secret technique was hidden in that stupid turning drum thing.

[RWaggs]

I was sat in the living room the other night, watching Karate Kid with my fiancee, eating junk and chilling out. The movie came to the scene where you're inside the Cobra Kai gym and watching them train.

For a moment it kind of hit me, while this movie seems to be building Creasey up as the bad guy and is trying to show off his gym and training as being very brutal and very strict. I thought to myself, you know what... He's actually a pretty good teacher aside from the being nuts part.

The training is hard and brutal (which it kind of should be) and he heavily promotes pragmatism and hard full contact sparring. He doesn't mess around with all the wax on wax off crap. He has his students train hard, spar hard and I can totally see why his students win often at competitions.

All I'm saying is, if I was training to toughen up and learn how to fight, this is the gym I'd want to go to as opposed to Miyagis really unorthodox ways of training.

I'm not sure if this is something that's been done before but I'd like to hear your thoughts and who would you prefer to be taught by.

I remember about 3 weeks after I started Kyokushin when I realized I essentially was Cobra Kai. Yeah, seriously, screw painting fences.

At the same time, Miyagi could get real when need be.

[Hadzu]

But lets open this up to some awesome fictional trainers that are not DBZ crazy.

Are you saying that Master Roshi is out of the running? This dude's my fucking spirit animal.