Deadly Pressure Points

[forsehucker]

When I trained kenpo as a kid, my instructor passed out a book to us after achieving a specific rank that includes a pressure point anatomy diagram showing all pressure points in the body and contained information about specific pressure points hit at the same time at certain parts of the day causing organs and organs systems such as the urinary or cardiovascular system to shut down. Is there any validity to this? My theory is it wouldn't work too well against someone trying to actively kick your ass but I wonder if these were old assassination techniques or something. Purely out of curiosity, has anyone else heard anything similar to this? I remember hearing that specific pressure points at the right time of the day could do things like cause one to stop pissing, eventually resulting in their bladder exploding. Also, inducing heart failure with pressure points.

[plasma]

100% Bullshit.

[BackFistMonkey]

When I trained kenpo as a kid, my instructor passed out a book to us after achieving a specific rank that includes a pressure point anatomy diagram showing all pressure points in the body and contained information about specific pressure points hit at the same time at certain parts of the day causing organs and organs systems such as the urinary or cardiovascular system to shut down.

No. Unless you are somehow injecting actual venom.

Is there any validity to this?

No

My theory is it wouldn't work too well against someone trying to actively kick your ass

Correct. Pain compliance is useless unless you have authority or superior fire power/back up on hand.

but I wonder if these were old assassination techniques or something.

They would have to work. They don't. It is much easier to stab the organ you want to disable. Or maybe hit them with a sledgehammer while they sleep. Go for the base of the neck or catch their temple between the hammer and a bed post or wall.
Keep striking tho humans are notoriously hard to kill.

Purely out of curiosity, has anyone else heard anything similar to this?

Yes in fantasy novels and from deluded fuck tards.

I remember hearing that specific pressure points at the right time of the day could do things like cause one to stop pissing, eventually resulting in their bladder exploding. Also, inducing heart failure with pressure points.

You heard lies and bullshit. Lucky shots against unhealthy people and ignorance of physiology continue to spread such bullshit.

I know I basically said the same thing as Plasma but figured I would answer all your questions in completeness.

Any other questions ?

[Holy Moment]

There's probably quite a bit of validity to it. A great deal of scientific and medical knowledge can be lost over several millennia only to crop up in strange places. The US military has been researching pressure point combat for several decades now. I know for a fact that soldiers in the United Kingdom Special Forces are taught a cervical nerve strike that can cause a person to vomit for up to fifteen minutes.

[BackFistMonkey]

There's probably quite a bit of validity to it. A great deal of scientific and medical knowledge can be lost over several millennia only to crop up in strange places. The US military has been researching pressure point combat for several decades now. I know for a fact that soldiers in the United Kingdom Special Forces are taught a cervical nerve strike that can cause a person to vomit for up to fifteen minutes.

Gosh how could I have forgotten ancient forgotten knowledge reverse engineered and perfected by kenpoists and then taught to children.

Is is Cervical Nerve 3 or 9 ? I always forget and I don't think we are supposed to be talking about this on an open forum ...

[ermghoti]

Proper manipulation of the carotid artery causes unconsciousness in as little as 4-5 seconds.

[It is Fake]

Here:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52197

[W. Rabbit]

Proper manipulation of the vagus nerve and carotid artery causes unconsciousness in as little as 4-5 seconds.

When you go out in 4-5 seconds it's not just due to constricting the carotid, but the overall systemic effect that and direct pressure has on the vagus nerve. Carotid pressure (any increase in BP, really but especially there) raises vagus pressure, and the vagus is like the body's reset button for BP. There are great threads here on this but I'll summarize.

The short and sweet of it is the carotid's job is to move blood, but the vagus' job is to shut your body the fuck down if it detects the carotid is going to blow. Like holding a flame to a thermostat, you can trick the vagus by applying proper pressure near the carotid/vagus cluster (they intertwine).

Anything that occurs that quickly is a nervous system response. It's not possible to starve the brain of oxygen that quickly, anybody here knows the brain can operate just fine without new oxygen for minutes, but things like rapid BP changes will cause syncope is seconds. You can experience it choking yourself, or being choked, or coughing too hard, all of these can trigger the vasovagal response (which in turn, lowers carotid pressure).

Naturally these effective nerve attacks became a central part of judo, jujutsu, chin na etc because clearly, they work like "magic". And it must have seemed like magic to ancient cultures, but it's a very well understood anatomical process (in fact, it keeps you alive if your BP gets too high).

On the general OP, here's what I believe. There are definitely INJURIES that can cause heart failure, bladder failure, organ failure, and death. Trauma anywhere around the groin can cause all sorts of damage and inflammation that can interfere with body functions, but this isn't a martial arts thing, because I have had friends take baseball hits to the groin without cups, and they piss blood too.

So I don't believe touching or even manipulating sensitive areas of the body can cause the kind of damage you describe especially at different times of day (though different states of the victim makes sense e.g. full bladder vs empty when kicked hard).

I DO believe that ancient stories about effectiveness are rooted not in touching or manipulating those points, but targeting and striking the hell out of them. Let's face if it you just killed or incapacitated your opponent in seconds, you can walk away and make up any story about secret technique you want.

A great example of a killing "pressure point" strike is to the back of the neck, the "rabbit punch" illegal in every modernized combat sport for a reason. Striking there can cause permanent paralysis.

[Speaks Softly]

Standard Dim Mak.

Depending on the time of day, and the season(actually, temperature was what was most important), various acupuncture points are hit singly, or in combination to affect an opponents health, or to cause death. Direction of the force, with or against the flow of Qi was also important.

This was a particular interest of mine in my youth(I was probably the only nine year old in my neighborhood who asked for a copy of Grays Anatomy for Christmas... and no, I'm not talking about a DVD of the TV series of same name. This was back in the late 60's).

My favorite Dim Mak point was Kidney 1, on the sole of the foot. Hitting this point affects the heart. I guess you wait for your opponent to kick, and quick as a flash, grab his foot, rip his shoe of, and deliver a devastating phoenix-eye fist to said point(death, by the way, was from heart arrhythmia).

Strangely enough, all the effective points lie in places that don't require Qi to be involved(or the time of day, or season, etc.)...just direct trauma to the brain, underlying internal organs, or nerves, etc. Obvious stuff. The trickiest one is the carotid sinus.

Actual Dim Mak (causing illness or delayed death via manipulating Qi) IMHO does not exist.

[Holy Moment]

Proper manipulation of the carotid artery causes unconsciousness in as little as 4-5 seconds.

I think that's just an urban myth. They have that in wrestling, they call it a sleeper hold.

[goodlun]

Was it this book?

[bombom]

OP, there are at least a few, perhaps many, different points on the body that you can apply pressure to that can result in serious injury, perhaps even death.

Here is how they work. Some dude starts shit with you. You try to avoid trouble, but a fight breaks out. You end up in clinch range, he gets a rudimentary hold on you. You dig your thumb knuckle in to his temple which causes a lot of pain. He responds by slamming you in to the ground and stomping on you until he gets tired, resulting in serious injury, perhaps even death.

And that boys and girls, are how pressure points kill people.

[DCS]

The US military has been researching pressure point combat for several decades now.

There'e even a documentary about that.

[Speaks Softly]

goodlun. I can't fully see the image you posted. It's probably the same(updated) book.

Mine has a white cover, with an illustration of the muscles of the back on it's cover. It says it's the 1901 edition, by Henry Gray, FRS

[goodlun]

goodlun. I can't fully see the image you posted. It's probably the same(updated) book.

Mine has a white cover, with an illustration of the muscles of the back on it's cover. It says it's the 1901 edition, by Henry Gray, FRS

lol
I actually missed your post saying you asked for the Grey's Anatomy book I was just being really snaky towards the OP.
Yeah its had quite a few covers the one I posted is the 40th edition.