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  • The Druid
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    More SHou Shu

    now since I have some time, I wanted to walks you guys through the fancy nut caressing shoe shoe move known as the "scoop kick."

    Imagine yourself in a front stance (shoo she "bow" stance) right leg forward, left back. The attacker somehow has his groin right over your knee. Raise the knee into the balls. pull your shin backwards scraping along the sack, and follow up by using the instep to drag the balls up and out. Then finish by bringing your leg all they way back landing in a left leg forward bow stance. Pretty fancy Huh? Then they tell me a spinning back kick is too fancy and will get me killed. Although, I agree a spin b kick is over kill and may make me vulnerable in a real fight, i think it is less fancy than the nut caressing scoop kick.

    It must be some sort of Freudian thing but I also noticed that the higher your degree of BB the longer your belt got to accommodate the animal patches. For those of you that don't know, on shoo shu black belts, they do not use bars, or lettering to indicate degree. They use 1" diameter patches with animals on them. To accommodate the amount of patches, going up to 7 on each side, the belt becomes very long. When I saw the black belts come in the first thing that came to me was the thought that the bigger the penis extension the greater your worth like those tribes in Africa with the dick cups where longer is better. Check out pictures on their site and youtube, you will see.

    I made it up to "low blue belt " in the time I was there. There is an average of 15 techniques per belt until brown belt level. Just about every other technique involves either a kick, knee, strike, or grab to the balls. In the earlier belts, they introduce you to "sparring techniques" all of them revolve around either a front snap, or roundhouse to the balls, followed by pulling the opponent arm down to open them up, then striking the face. First off, if just sparring, I wouldn't want to kick my partner in the nuts.

    All this nut attack stuff is covered in most women's self defense courses, no need to dedicate yourself to years of "the art of gnads."

    Also, we would have to wear the knot of our belts towards the left hip, or else it was a "formal challenge" to your instructor. Has anyone in a legitimate stye ever heard of this? I've only seen it elsewhere in Bok Fu Do which appears to be another non traditional SHou Shu type style. We also never had the same uniforms. If you tucked your shirt in reguarless if it was a GAP shirt, you where good. Many people wore Tai Chi style uniforms with Judo/karate style belts. It looked ridiculous.

    They also have weapons all over the school that you don't learn, some of the weapons like the Sai is not even Chinese. When did Da Shifu learn Sai in the mountains of China?

    One big lame thing that may impress the kids, but not any adult with a brain is that when the black belts train, you can not watch them, too secret. You are allowed to train in the school even when there is no class going on, but when the black belt class starts, they run you out the door. The ironic part is, the school is still a school, with all windows in front to attract business like most MA schools, so you can still see whats going on. It is really nothing but advanced material. More kata, more technique. So why the secrecy. Perhaps to give the Black belts more false ego, and to try to bring about that feeling of mystery that 1980"s kung fu movies used to portray. Goofy.

    One positive is that we did train in some grappling, but that was due to the teacher cross training in BJJ and sharing with us. It is not part of the SHu SHu curriculum.

    In regard the the original question, "why all the shou shu hate?" I hope I've summed it up. Dishonest founder. arrogance that they are the best style. Disrespectful bully style teachers. A lot of bragging with nothing to back it up. odd non chinese customs, in a professed chinese style. Cult following of fools. lack of discipline. Secretism in the age of google.

    You will work out, you will learn some self defense, there are some good people there, but there are better places to do this without the cons.

    Aside from Shou Shu and the "Ninjitsu" not NinjUtsu school I attended, I have had very positive MA experiences. I will post later about the Nijitsu with Sabutai.

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  • The Druid
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    More Stories?

    Originally posted by judoka01 View Post
    Nice post druid. Got any more stories?
    Yes, actually I do have more stories. That is sad considering that I have only trained in Shou Shu for 8 months and have so many stories about them. yet, I have trained in other arts including the McATA TKD and even that was better than Shou Shu. The entire system seems to revolved around the balls. My wife took a free class and couldn't stop laughing about all the testicle contact. There is one fancy testicle technique called the "scoop kick."
    I could write all day about Shoe Shoe, but I leave it at that for tonight.

    One interesting story, is that I met the Douche known as Sabutai Musashi when I was 15 and didn't realize how full of it he was yet. If you haven't heard of him, look him up. Nothing like an out of shape WHITE man named Musashi Sabutai who was adopted by a Japanese Ninja and can fight blind folded. WAIT .... wasn't that the story line of "Bloodsport." That must make him Frank Ducks or Dux, like put up you dukes.

    I will post more another day. Stay tuned for more idiotic stories of frauds form central California.

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  • judoka01
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    Nice post druid. Got any more stories?

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by The Druid View Post
    First time posting, so not sure if I am placing this in the right area, but I just wanted to ad my Shou Shu experience.

    I trained in Shou Shu for the 8 months I was on contract. I was in it mostly for exercise so I didn't mind the BS, but OMG there was SOOOOO much BS. I have trained in 8 different schools in multiple arts for the past 20 years, and this is the only school where I have heard so many "Shifus" brag about all the street fights they have been it,jaws they have broken,etc. even saying, " they can't wait to get into a fight so they can try A,B,C..." I've never heard this kind of talk from any of the 7 other schools Ive trained in. Very unprofessional. They never heard Miyagi say, "karate for defense only" haha. If all this jaw breaking street fighting stories were true, these guys would be in jail, or being sued, not in a MA class.

    The story of Al Moore Sr. RIP learning in China and beating everyone up sounds like the premise of every 1980's Van Dame movie. it is obvious the base is Tracy Kenpo, and Ive even seen certificates of Chung do kwan and Shuai Jiao in the office of the school. Anyone with MA knowledge can see this is far more a kenpo system, than a traditional CMA system. Too much emphasis on that piece of cloth known as a black belt. Every traditional MA school I've attended, you bow before coming onto the mat, then a bow before and after class. Here you have to constantly bow "salute" black belts even during class. If you don't you get yelled at. Im 35, and paying 100 a month, I don't need to be scolded like a child for not bowing to a black belt when I didn't even know they where in the room, but that is how Shoe Shoe works.

    There are many senior student that know that the story of Moore Sr. learning in China is false and they still train. I have more respect for these students than the ones who believe the "legend." It is amazing how many students really believe that this is the most devastating killer martial art. Most Black belts cannot kick over their waist, but that is ok since all you have to do is kick in the nuts. The instructors have no respect for their students. In the 8 months I was there, I saw multiple students get hit hard, and slammed hard to the point of bruising, bleeding, and even getting teeth knocked out. No respect for Uke. But its OK, you have to learn to take it (according to them).

    All of the black belts really believe they are a force to be reckoned with and have no respect for other arts. The other style I've done from japanese Jujutsu, TKD, and real Kenpo where all ridiculed in the face of the devastating Shoe Shoe. We are also always taught how to deliver a death blow, perhaps we don't want to kill our opponent. I also wonder why they wear "Gi's", and called "Shifu", not sifu, and count in English.

    If it wasn't for all these cons and Da Shifu's BS story Shou Shu could have been a respectable Kenpo type style. We also never warm up before class. You can learn from anyone who is a black belt, so the problem is you learn a technique with multiple variations due to too many teachers. The black belts believe they are gods.

    I'm a second degree in TKD, so I know how to kick, imagine the annoyance of having a 16 year old first degree with two years experience telling me Im not doing a side thrust kick properly. On retain nights there is Black belt class. When the black belts come in, you can smell the ego, and of course they get mad if you don't individually salute them as they arrive.

    Why is Moore Jr. Called Jung Moon? Ive met him, nice guy, good martial artist. Why do white people need Asian names? I am white, I don't need to be called Chong Lee. Reminds me of that white Ninja douche Ashida Kim. And we don't spar, too deadly. for the street not the ring. Yet they sell sparring gear in the studio, WTF?????

    Oh well, an 8 month learning experience, beck to TKD for me. I know TKD won't make me the ultimate fighter like Shoe Shoe, but at least we know that;) Let the Shou Shu enthusiast challenges begin. And go......
    There, I paragraphed that for you.

    Please...don't do it again.

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  • ermghoti
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    Originally posted by Machina View Post
    You guys are all just delusional and fools.
    Shou Shu can beat any other art
    Obama actively recruits people from out schools to help him with secret service missions.

    No, but in all Honesty.
    I quit Shou Shu and saw through the bull a few months after making this post.
    I can't do anything but laugh now reading back on this thread.
    1 year of Muay Thai and and MMA later I'm in the greatest physical condition I've been in ever and am really serious about my art.
    Welcome back from the rabbit hole.

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  • The Druid
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    Shou Shu EGO

    First time posting, so not sure if I am placing this in the right area, but I just wanted to ad my Shou Shu experience. I trained in Shou Shu for the 8 months I was on contract. I was in it mostly for exercise so I didn't mind the BS, but OMG there was SOOOOO much BS. I have trained in 8 different schools in multiple arts for the past 20 years, and this is the only school where I have heard so many "Shifus" brag about all the street fights they have been it,jaws they have broken,etc. even saying, " they can't wait to get into a fight so they can try A,B,C..." I've never heard this kind of talk from any of the 7 other schools Ive trained in. Very unprofessional. They never heard Miyagi say, "karate for defense only" haha. If all this jaw breaking street fighting stories were true, these guys would be in jail, or being sued, not in a MA class. The story of Al Moore Sr. RIP learning in China and beating everyone up sounds like the premise of every 1980's Van Dame movie. it is obvious the base is Tracy Kenpo, and Ive even seen certificates of Chung do kwan and Shuai Jiao in the office of the school. Anyone with MA knowledge can see this is far more a kenpo system, than a traditional CMA system. Too much emphasis on that piece of cloth known as a black belt. Every traditional MA school I've attended, you bow before coming onto the mat, then a bow before and after class. Here you have to constantly bow "salute" black belts even during class. If you don't you get yelled at. Im 35, and paying 100 a month, I don't need to be scolded like a child for not bowing to a black belt when I didn't even know they where in the room, but that is how Shoe Shoe works. There are many senior student that know that the story of Moore Sr. learning in China is false and they still train. I have more respect for these students than the ones who believe the "legend." It is amazing how many students really believe that this is the most devastating killer martial art. Most Black belts cannot kick over their waist, but that is ok since all you have to do is kick in the nuts. The instructors have no respect for their students. In the 8 months I was there, I saw multiple students get hit hard, and slammed hard to the point of bruising, bleeding, and even getting teeth knocked out. No respect for Uke. But its OK, you have to learn to take it (according to them). All of the black belts really believe they are a force to be reckoned with and have no respect for other arts. The other style I've done from japanese Jujutsu, TKD, and real Kenpo where all ridiculed in the face of the devastating Shoe Shoe. We are also always taught how to deliver a death blow, perhaps we don't want to kill our opponent. I also wonder why they wear "Gi's", and called "Shifu", not sifu, and count in English. If it wasn't for all these cons and Da Shifu's BS story Shou Shu could have been a respectable Kenpo type style. We also never warm up before class. You can learn from anyone who is a black belt, so the problem is you learn a technique with multiple variations due to too many teachers. The black belts believe they are gods. I'm a second degree in TKD, so I know how to kick, imagine the annoyance of having a 16 year old first degree with two years experience telling me Im not doing a side thrust kick properly. On retain nights there is Black belt class. When the black belts come in, you can smell the ego, and of course they get mad if you don't individually salute them as they arrive. Why is Moore Jr. Called Jung Moon? Ive met him, nice guy, good martial artist. Why do white people need Asian names? I am white, I don't need to be called Chong Lee. Reminds me of that white Ninja douche Ashida Kim. And we don't spar, too deadly. for the street not the ring. Yet they sell sparring gear in the studio, WTF????? Oh well, an 8 month learning experience, beck to TKD for me. I know TKD won't make me the ultimate fighter like Shoe Shoe, but at least we know that;) Let the Shou Shu enthusiast challenges begin. And go......

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  • Machina
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    Shou Shu can beat any other art

    You guys are all just delusional and fools.
    Shou Shu can beat any other art
    Obama actively recruits people from out schools to help him with secret service missions.

    No, but in all Honesty.
    I quit Shou Shu and saw through the bull a few months after making this post.
    I can't do anything but laugh now reading back on this thread.
    1 year of Muay Thai and and MMA later I'm in the greatest physical condition I've been in ever and am really serious about my art.

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  • rnc357
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    Originally posted by Machina View Post
    Yeah, I guess I can see your points.
    One of the posters said "to the golden glove champion who teaches tkd"
    No,! golden gloves champion teaches Shou Shu and says its better than both boxing and jujitsu. who is the same bodyguard. Don't you see how I could be convinced after someone with a long history of kicking ass says that an art of kicking ass is effective and that this form of kicking ass is superior to old forms of kicking ass?

    No, dude, i've never used SS in a fight. I Just started, and the people there (who train with the right people there) are good. So i figured it would be good.

    I've been able to use some of the forearm strikes, elbows and grabs in wing chun efficiently, I don't think that it's terrible like the claims being made of it.

    Another dude in the class (who is also a bodyguard) Beat up five dudes without being touched! idk about you but wouldn't you be convinced as well? He wasn't the one telling me this either as he's not the bragging type. Someone who worked with him told me this (another security officer not previously mentioned)
    Some of the dumbest shit I have read in a long time, this cant be for real.

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  • rnc357
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    I agree. Experience in bouncing, security, police or military experience should not be used as the criteria. As a bouncer and a martial artist I see both sides. I have worked with some skilled fighters, but most of them have had some type of formal training. I have also worked with guys who where useless in a fight. No karate death matches so far but myself and my co workers have all been in more altercations than I can remember. I have injuries from bouncing that will last a lifetime. I always say that rolling in class with a skilled grappler is a lot harder than most of the guys we face in the bar, but its sure a lot safer.
    Last edited by rnc357; 7/17/2014 7:26pm, .

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  • mike321
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    I want to go to the school that turns physically inept, passive, out of shape people into competent fighters. Turning a bouncer into a fighter is really by that big of an accomplishment.

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  • ghost55
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    Originally posted by TheMightyMcClaw View Post
    Machina, I'm not picking on you, this is a larger issue that needs to be addressed:
    Can we all please stop with the "My instructor/training partner is a bouncer" as a litmus test for efficacy of a training system, as though every bouncer is Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse?
    In all my years as a club rat, I have seen exactly zero karate deathmatches involving staff. The one karate deathmatch (read: drunken haymakers and schoolyard headlocks) that I did see occur was broken up by club patrons before any of the security staff even arrived.
    Unless your martial arts gym has some secret technique for checking ID's and telling people not to congregate in the hallways, it's a pretty much irrelevant career.
    This. I work as a security guard, and my job also is severely lacking in Karate death matches. In case one might begin to happen, company policy entails me running away and calling the police.

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  • TheMightyMcClaw
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    Originally posted by Machina View Post
    They worked some of the roughest clubs in town as guards. I'm pretty sure they're not b/sing.
    Machina, I'm not picking on you, this is a larger issue that needs to be addressed:
    Can we all please stop with the "My instructor/training partner is a bouncer" as a litmus test for efficacy of a training system, as though every bouncer is Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse?
    In all my years as a club rat, I have seen exactly zero karate deathmatches involving staff. The one karate deathmatch (read: drunken haymakers and schoolyard headlocks) that I did see occur was broken up by club patrons before any of the security staff even arrived.
    Unless your martial arts gym has some secret technique for checking ID's and telling people not to congregate in the hallways, it's a pretty much irrelevant career.

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  • ermghoti
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    It has aged well.

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  • Holy Moment
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    Originally posted by ermghoti View Post
    Fix the formatting tags so I can upvote that shit, you maroon.
    I want to preserve that in all its original glory. It was something I wrote five years ago on another forum.

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  • ermghoti
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    Fix the formatting tags so I can upvote that shit, you maroon.

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