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    Some more traditional wrestling



    Here's some video of Coreeda wrestling, a revival of traditional aboriginal wrestling.


    Here's a Google+ site with lots of videos and pictures of traditional wrestling styles:

    https://plus.google.com/113846227794514136976/posts

    #2
    It's really interesting to see how many forms of grappling have been developed, and how similar they all seem to be. Seems that a good, open-minded grappler could step between styles without too much trouble, other than learning a slightly different ruleset each time.

    Does anyone know of any studies that trace the lineage of grappling styles in early human history? Any archaeological projects? Just thinking that a unified theory of human grappling would be a really interesting course of study.

    Shame that all these have been rendered useless with the invention of parking lots, eh?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Bayonet View Post
      It's really interesting to see how many forms of grappling have been developed,
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_wrestling
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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...estling_styles

      Here is the thing when you get down to it. We are all human. Even ancient man was human. Wrestling is pretty natural. You see it in the animal kingdom you see it in us.

      While there is nearly an infinite amount of little things that can be done differently.
      At the end of the day their are few ways to efficiently use your body as a lever. Their are a few places where one can get a good grip on another person.

      As been said here before their is really no such thing as a Judo throw or a Sambo throw or a BJJ throw. Or trip or take down.

      A lot of Grappling is simply breaking your opponents balance. Their is a pretty limited amount of ways to do that.

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        #4
        I think of grappling as the human equivalent of when kittens and other animals play fight with their claws retracted.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Permalost View Post
          I think of grappling as the human equivalent of when kittens and other animals play fight with their claws retracted.

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            #6
            Originally posted by goodlun View Post

            While there is nearly an infinite amount of little things that can be done differently.
            At the end of the day their are few ways to efficiently use your body as a lever. Their are a few places where one can get a good grip on another person.

            As been said here before their is really no such thing as a Judo throw or a Sambo throw or a BJJ throw. Or trip or take down.

            A lot of Grappling is simply breaking your opponents balance. Their is a pretty limited amount of ways to do that.

            Oh definitely. Most of my interest with the styles is in the cultural side of things. It's one thing to talk about biomechanics and why efficient hip-throws all look the same, it's another to see how nearly every culture, all of them wildly different, elevated a practical skill into a cultural and entertainment spectacle.

            I wonder if that cultural evolution was passed on from group to group, or arose in each independently? I wonder if there's any way to trace it's development, if so...My Anthro nerd is bubbling up...

            Also, do any of you guys take part in any of these obscure "folk" wrestling styles? Do you think that some of these are going to make a comeback?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Bayonet View Post
              Seems that a good, open-minded grappler could step between styles without too much trouble, other than learning a slightly different ruleset each time.
              I've heard that in a lot of countries, such as many of the Eurasian countries, their wrestlers are like this. They view different sports as differences in rule sets, so they train just grappling basically, and when a competition is coming up they will train specifically for that ruleset. In Afghanistan their native wrestling style is kuresh, and when they train they will train under both the kuresh ruleset, and the Judo ruleset.

              Personally I think that that is one of the best approaches to grappling as a whole.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Bayonet View Post
                Oh definitely. Most of my interest with the styles is in the cultural side of things. It's one thing to talk about biomechanics and why efficient hip-throws all look the same, it's another to see how nearly every culture, all of them wildly different, elevated a practical skill into a cultural and entertainment spectacle.

                I wonder if that cultural evolution was passed on from group to group, or arose in each independently? I wonder if there's any way to trace it's development, if so...My Anthro nerd is bubbling up...

                Also, do any of you guys take part in any of these obscure "folk" wrestling styles? Do you think that some of these are going to make a comeback?

                I don't personally but I like to watch the videos of traditional jacket and belt wrestling for gripping ideas and such. I wish traditional wrestling styles were more available though.

                I've read in one of the books in the FILA online library that at one point they were experimenting with introducing certain styles such as Chidaoba (Georgian wrestling) and Bokh (Mongolian wrestling) into the training regiment of children wrestlers who were going to compete in freestyle or greco later on in life.

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                  #9
                  SAMBO players are also famous for switching between SAMBO, Judo, Greco-Roman and Freestyle Wrestling competitions...and now they are adding BJJ to the equation.

                  At a given moment, we had so many chechenians at Brasa Belgium and while some of them identified themselfs as Judoka or Wrestler here, all of them had the SAMBO background. These guys loved BJJ and in less than 5 years Brasa Chechnia was born.

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                    #10
                    If you grapple under different rule sets how do you know which rule set to use on the "street" cause we all know grapplers are just sport fighters and they have to follow a rule set.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                      If you grapple under different rule sets how do you know which rule set to use on the "street" cause we all know grapplers are just sport fighters and they have to follow a rule set.
                      Flying-fist-of-deception-fu practitioner: "Man, don't worry about shane parker. He does greco, coreeda, and mma. Boy will he be confused when we step into the cage. 'What do I do?! Throw him?! Punch him?! the possibilities are endless!!!' hahaha!"

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                        #12
                        If you grapple under different rule sets how do you know which rule set to use on the "street" cause we all know grapplers are just sport fighters and they have to follow a rule set.
                        This one:



                        Hardwood floors are at least somewhat street-like.

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                          #13
                          Back in the wrestling boom-time of the 19th century, it was common for professionals to wrestle, say, 3 rounds, each round being under the rules of a different style - collar-and-elbow, side-hold, Cumberland/Westmorland, etc.

                          The unintended homogenizing effect of the Olympic Games was a real dampener, though, as many regional folk-styles not selected for Olympic competition found themselves struggling for funding and recognition. Those that had enough grass-roots support struggled through, others faded away and (some) have been subject to more-or-less imaginative revivals.

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                              #15
                              dont like this sport soo faaakeee

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