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    #16
    Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
    Ah. That sounds like a mess. Thanks for explaining the iron training stuff. I was a bit confused by the phrasing and his method (Dale uses bean bags rather than boards if I am not mistaken). As for the concept of Iron Skills training, I never doubted that (if I could find a good place where I lived I would try to get Iron Body training ASAP), I just thought his method looked a bit different from what Dale did (plank thin vs bean bag), and some of his claims about his iron whatever training made me feel rather suspicious.
    Iron training methods have a very simple, natural premise:

    stress + time - injury = progress

    Here, it's easy to see how IP is often abused/misused by people with fake/poor training:

    Too much stress = BAD
    Too little time = BAD
    Any injury = BAD

    Combine any of these with old age and frailty disease = VERY BAD

    Jake seems to have had a mixed bag of IP exposure...I based that on the fact that his IP exercise is fabricated (ie not a standard IP practice that I know of). It looks like something he either made up or was shown that was made up. IP methods are traditionally done standing, with far less striking force and on a far more forgiving surface.

    One of the red flags of poor/fake IP training is somebody actually hitting something hard and loud (ie for effect) repeatedly. Real masters of tid sa jeurng can practice nearly silently, if they choose. One of my favorite IP tools is a section of rubber tire innertube, tied off at both ends and filled with shot. Quiet, humble, effective, cheap. NO fancy woods, engravings, or sound effects.

    The pushups part, I would love to see one of his "80 year old students" do that. Sorry, the LAST thing I would ever suggest is an elderly person with frailty bone disease doing IP training...they will not get stronger bones through slow, careful microfracturing the way nature intended and IP can somewhat stimulate, but fractures instead.

    And that formula is pretty simple, statistically:

    Old age + fractures = death
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 3/07/2014 3:56pm, .
    '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

    My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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      #17
      Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
      Yes and no.
      Yin and Yang. Tai Chi.

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        #18
        Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post

        Jake seems to have had a mixed bag of IP exposure...I based that on the fact that his IP exercise is fabricated (ie not a standard IP practice that I know of). It looks like something he either made up or was shown that was made up. IP methods are traditionally done standing, with far less striking force and on a far more forgiving surface.
        I just explained this and you still type this silliness? He didn't make it up, it was what he was taught.

        One of the red flags of poor/fake IP training is somebody actually hitting something hard and loud (ie for effect) repeatedly. Real masters of tid sa jeurng can practice nearly silently, if they choose. One of my favorite IP tools is a section of rubber tire innertube, tied off at both ends and filled with shot. Quiet, humble, effective, cheap. NO fancy woods, engravings, or sound effects.
        You need to stop with your uneducated CMA bullshit.

        The pushups part, I would love to see one of his "80 year old students" do that. Sorry, the LAST thing I would ever suggest is an elderly person with frailty bone disease doing IP training...they will not get stronger bones through slow, careful microfracturing the way nature intended and IP can somewhat stimulate, but fractures instead.
        Seriously? Stop typing. If you are going to copy Dale, do it effectively. Don't put your poor knowlegde and spin into something you do not fully know or understand

        Old age + fractures = death
        Stop.

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          #19
          You're right in that my exposure to IP is only a few years of training but it's just that THIS form of IP is very foreign to me. If there is some element of legitimacy to it, I'm all ears.

          I understand defending Jake as not "hilariously bad". I see your point.

          What I don't understand is whether or not you're supporting the idea of IP training for the elderly? It still seems like a terrible idea, but maybe I'm missing something.

          For the record, I don't mind Jake or most of his videos, but he sure still gets a lot of flak (probably undeserved) for his former associations.
          Last edited by W. Rabbit; 3/07/2014 5:16pm, .
          '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

          My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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            #20
            Nope, that's your own windmill.. Ghost55' said "hilariously bad kung fu" and that's where I am at. You found something to nitpick and I am calling you out on some of the hyperbole concerning iron palm.

            I've long said Sin The had legit training somewhere, then he decided to jump on the Shaolin bandwagon. I'm defending him from hilariously bad and that is it.

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              #21
              Would "a bit dodgy" be more fair?

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                #22
                No, I am splitting hairs. Jake allows cross training, he respects sport arts, the school spars and the kung fu is a "mish mash" like Dale stated. Hell a fuck ton is bullshido as discussed in another thread and the document posted by Rabbit.

                If you want to call him bullshido, crap, no real kung fu and just about anything else I'm cool. Hilariously bad is way lower than what he shows. I've seen MUCH WORSE than what he showed in any of his videos. It's sad because he was a young cat, with a good college career going on, when he got swept up in the bullshit.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mor Sao View Post
                  The slots help reduce the strikes and soften the impact. You do not want to strike immovable things as the risk of having that shock return to your CNS and cause issues is real.
                  I understand the concept of energy being transferred into the movement of the object you are striking rather than being transformed into the deformation of cartilage, bones and tendons. But how is the "shock" returning to the CNS a main issue, or even an issue at all?

                  CNS is the brain and spinal cord, pretty sheltered from impacts on the periphery of the body. For the CNS to be damaged you from striking an object with a fist you would expect fractures along the bones of the hand, forearm, upper arm, shoulder blade, collar bone +/- the spine as the energy would need to travel to the CNS somehow and as muscle/soft tissue is deformable the energy would be absorbed as deformation of the structure before it could be transmitted that far.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
                    No, I am splitting hairs. Jake allows cross training, he respects sport arts, the school spars and the kung fu is a "mish mash" like Dale stated. Hell a fuck ton is bullshido as discussed in another thread and the document posted by Rabbit.

                    If you want to call him bullshido, crap, no real kung fu and just about anything else I'm cool. Hilariously bad is way lower than what he shows. I've seen MUCH WORSE than what he showed in any of his videos. It's sad because he was a young cat, with a good college career going on, when he got swept up in the bullshit.
                    Oh. That's actually kinda depressing. He just ended up picking the wrong thing. Wow. I feel kinda bad now.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by It is Fake View Post

                      You need to stop with your uneducated CMA bullshit.


                      Well, he has more or less segued into grappling as of late.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by IsThisRight? View Post
                        CNS is the brain and spinal cord, pretty sheltered from impacts on the periphery of the body.
                        Say what?

                        OK, then do me a favor. Go smash your pinky finger with a hammer, and come back and enlighten us on well your CNS was sheltered.
                        '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

                        My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                          Say what?

                          OK, then do me a favor. Go smash your pinky finger with a hammer, and come back and enlighten us on well your CNS was sheltered.
                          That is the peripheral nervous system.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by ghost55 View Post
                            That is the peripheral nervous system.
                            NO shit, now go do what I said, and report back what your CNS tells you.

                            What you said was stupid.
                            '�I am no advocate of passivity,� Coffin Mott said in an 1860 speech. �Quakerism, as I understand it, does not mean quietism. The early Friends were agitators; disturbers of the peace; and were more obnoxious in their day to charges, which are now so freely made, than we are.�'

                            My Glossary: https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=129294

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
                              NO shit, now go do what I said, and report back what your CNS tells you.

                              What you said was stupid.
                              No it wasn't. Yes, I can feel it. Yes, those signals travel through the CNS, but beyond that the CNS is not involved. To actually damage the CNS you would need to experience direct spinal trauma.

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                                #30
                                IMO-
                                Your first mistake was looking for real style vids on YouTube.

                                Aside from sparring videos, lesbians kissing, old unreleased bugs bunny cartoons, lesbians kissing and baby chimps falling out of trees and lesbians kissing YouTube serves so redeeming purpose.

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