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  • Holy Moment
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    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122805

    In honor of Pancrase doing away with the ring, I present to you all the greatness of Gregory Smit:









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  • Holy Moment
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    I just found some of these bizarre shoot-style matches (Bushido) featuring SAMBO expert Chris Dolman, trainer of the likes of Bas Rutten, Gerard Gordeau, and Freek Hamaker from UFC 2.

    Vs. Bill Kazmaier, famed powerlifter.



    Vs. George Capes, Rugby player.



    Interesting character. Freek Hamaker wore the same kind of singlet he did. He also has some RINGS and UWF matches on his channel, but here are some of his shoots:



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  • Holy Moment
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    Sherdog's still confusing wrestling for MMA:

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  • Holy Moment
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    Originally posted by Permalost View Post
    I remember watching one of the old UFCs where Koji Kitao fights a guy from a Korean style. Koji takes a punch to the nose and quits, something I'd never seen happen in MMA. I remember thinking at the time that it seems like more guys would do that, because being punched in the nose fucking sucks.
    That was against Mark "The Cobra" Hall in UFC 9. The punch was hard to catch live because Kitao got a takedown immediately after. First time viewing years ago, I thought his nose began leaking due to high blood pressure and the force of his own slam rupturing his blood vessels.



    Nathan Jones actually commented on the Pride video. He claims Kitao hated physical discomfort and wouldn't allow himself to be struck while choreographing the match. He also says five of the seven fights in Pride 1 were works (Not a stretch to believe).

    Here are Kitao's other fights:





    ^Another example of a shoot fight breaking out in a scripted wrestling match.
    Last edited by Holy Moment; 10/31/2013 7:51pm, .

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  • Permalost
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    Originally posted by Holy Moment View Post
    Nathan Jones vs. Koji Kitao in Pride 1.

    I remember watching one of the old UFCs where Koji Kitao fights a guy from a Korean style. Koji takes a punch to the nose and quits, something I'd never seen happen in MMA. I remember thinking at the time that it seems like more guys would do that, because being punched in the nose fucking sucks.

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  • Ming Loyalist
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    Originally posted by Holy Moment View Post
    Rumina Sato seems almost superhuman for the era he fought in (Or perhaps any era). People went cockshit after Toby Imada and Richard Hale pulled off inverted flying triangles in Bellator a few years back, but Sato was doing that shit in 1995.
    i am lucky enough to have been able to see rumina fight in person. unfortunately it was at the end of his career and he got smashed by lion takeshi.

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  • Permalost
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    Originally posted by Elemental Fist View Post
    he had more success as a trainer than he had as a fighter
    I remember watching a vid of Sayama training his guys- he was beating them with shinai and kicking them hard and shrieking in Japanese. Seemed excessive to me but I know serious Japanese training culture can be intense.

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  • Elemental Fist
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    Originally posted by Holy Moment View Post

    Satoru "Tiger Mask" Sayama was a wrestling ultralegend and the founder of Shooto. He liked to put on demonstrations showing the audience the full arsenal of techniques shoot fighters have at their disposal.

    Sayama is a legend of Pro Wrestling (he popularized high flying Junior/Cruiserweight, Light Heavyweight wrestlng in Japan) plus some success in Shoot Wrestling but in actual legit combat sport, he had more success as a trainer than he had as a fighter, I've found 2 bouts he had one was grappling against a Judoka and a kickboxing bout, and he got outclassed in both.

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  • Holy Moment
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    This was a great read, I really enjoyed it being a fan of both MMA and Pro Wrestling myself. I think Shooto is possibly the longest running MMA promotion in the world originally being founded around a year or 2 before Pancrase.
    They started hosting amateur fights in the mid-80's and began hosting professional fights by 1989. For a promotion that started so early, it resembles modern MMA much more than the UFC or Pancrase did years later. Apparently when the Unified Rules were implemented in America and gloves became mandatory, hardcore fans thought the UFC was turning into "Shooto USA." Five more videos now:

    Rumina Sato seems almost superhuman for the era he fought in (Or perhaps any era). People went cockshit after Toby Imada and Richard Hale pulled off inverted flying triangles in Bellator a few years back, but Sato was doing that shit in 1995.



    Erik Paulson, another fighter far ahead of his time. Shooto's implementation of weight classes really allowed the lighter fighters to flourish back when both the UFC and Pancrase still thought openweight was fair. Here he is fighting Olympic Judo bronze medalist Ben Spijkers.



    Shooto also hosted Vale Tudo Japan, the events that allowed Rickson Gracie to showcase his skills and Yuki Nakai to showcase his inhumanly erudite balls. True to its name, the event used a Vale Tudo ruleset and was thus a lot more permissive than regular Shooto.



    The Lumax Cup also seemed to be a related event. The Inoue brothers, Tsuyoshi Kosaka, and Akihiro Gono got their start there among others.



    Satoru "Tiger Mask" Sayama was a wrestling ultralegend and the founder of Shooto. He liked to put on demonstrations showing the audience the full arsenal of techniques shoot fighters have at their disposal.

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  • Rivington
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    I'd love to see modern MMA in a ring, with breaks for touching the rope.

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  • Elemental Fist
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    This was a great read, I really enjoyed it being a fan of both MMA and Pro Wrestling myself. I think Shooto is possibly the longest running MMA promotion in the world originally being founded around a year or 2 before Pancrase.

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  • Coach Josh
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    Great job.

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  • goodlun
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    Originally posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Actually I think he was talking to me. This is where I started teaching myself leg locks before hooking up with a SAMBO group.
    Well not so much to you but it is pretty damn awesome story and this thread of course is all the more complete with the subtle-ish reference to it.

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  • Omega Supreme
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    Actually I think he was talking to me. This is where I started teaching myself leg locks before hooking up with a SAMBO group.

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