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    #46
    Although, I take that analogy further to describe a major fault.
    Aikido today, has a lot of practitioners who think the engine will work in its current condition, and take it on faith despite never having sat inside a car.
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      #47
      Originally posted by Ignorami View Post
      Although, I take that analogy further to describe a major fault.
      Aikido today, has a lot of practitioners who think the engine will work in its current condition, and take it on faith despite never having sat inside a car.
      Never having sat in a car is right. Thing is, I've learned that not everyone trains for the same reasons, and that's more common in Aikido than in other systems.

      I once trained with an Aikido teacher who tried to bring it down to earth. For example, when training us with a knife, he taught how to attack before he taught how to defend -- uke was required to retract the hand and make multiple stabs or slashes. He also spent time teaching his students how to throw a real punch (he was a uechi ryu practitioner). He was not popular tho, because he was not doing the long flowing movements of "classical" aikido. He eventually had to close his school, and I quit the system because I never found anyone who could teach this way. It's a shame because I think Aikido has a lot offer, but the fighting aspect must be taken seriously for it to be of any use.

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        #48
        Originally posted by CapnMunchh View Post
        Never having sat in a car is right. Thing is, I've learned that not everyone trains for the same reasons, and that's more common in Aikido than in other systems.

        I once trained with an Aikido teacher who tried to bring it down to earth. For example, when training us with a knife, he taught how to attack before he taught how to defend -- uke was required to retract the hand and make multiple stabs or slashes. He also spent time teaching his students how to throw a real punch (he was a uechi ryu practitioner). He was not popular tho, because he was not doing the long flowing movements of "classical" aikido. He eventually had to close his school, and I quit the system because I never found anyone who could teach this way. It's a shame because I think Aikido has a lot offer, but the fighting aspect must be taken seriously for it to be of any use.
        I think this ties in with something that was mentioned earlier in the thread, which is the importance of having some proficiency in a base MA style that aikido 'builds off of' (some folks would argue this one)...somebody coming straight into aikido with no other background, in many cases, isn't going to be taught effective attacks in the first place, which makes the whole shebang unrealistic (IMHO).

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          #49
          I had, many years back, the opportunity to practice knife entry defense with some relatively high level former FMA trained akidoka.

          These classes separated the 'wheat from the chafe' type technique methodology. While a given move may work in an ideal setting, defense against a Sharpe told the tale.

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          http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31636

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            #50
            Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
            I had, many years back, the opportunity to practice knife entry defense with some relatively high level former FMA trained akidoka.

            These classes separated the 'wheat from the chafe' type technique methodology. While a given move may work in an ideal setting, defense against a Sharpe told the tale.

            [ATTACH=CONFIG]15457[/ATTACH]

            disclaimer

            I am a lowly shodan in aikido.
            Coincidentally, we also trained some FMA...the 2 styles at my school are aikido and modern arnis, so we crossed over a bit...lot of similarities with some of the locking techniques, actually...that and the weapons work was helpful...

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              #51
              Originally posted by Ignorami View Post
              you don't fight in the squat rack.
              What if some douche is doing curls in there though?
              "Systema, which means, 'the system'..."

              Originally posted by strikistanian
              DROP SEIONAGI MOTHERFUCKER! Except I don't know Judo, so it doesn't work, and he takes my back.
              Originally posted by Devil
              Why is it so goddamn hard to find a video of it? I've seen videos I'm pretty sure are alien spacecraft. But still no good Krav.
              Originally posted by Plasma
              At the point, I must act! You see my rashguard saids "Jiu Jitsu vs The World" and "The World" was standing in front me teaching Anti-Grappling in a school I help run.
              Originally posted by SoulMechanic
              Thank you, not dying really rewarding in more ways than I can express.

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                #52
                Originally posted by ermghoti View Post
                What if some douche is doing curls in there though?
                That's ok. It's not fighting, it's percussive eugenics.
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                When life gives you lemons... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!

                "what's the best thing about aikido then?"
                "To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by OwlMatt View Post
                  This is what Tomiki tried to do with Shodokan Aikido. He was a legitimate expert in both aikido and judo. The trouble is, as I and others have already said, that training aikido techniques live really only proves that aikido's complex wrist-locking doesn't work live -- which is why Shodokan randori often looks more like judo than aikido.
                  I happened to see this on the BBC website today which seems to be other attempt to mix Classical Martial Arts this time Ju-Jitsu. I would be interested to see how the competitors get on against Judo players.

                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24409961

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Nickosaurus View Post
                    I happened to see this on the BBC website today which seems to be other attempt to mix Classical Martial Arts this time Ju-Jitsu. I would be interested to see how the competitors get on against Judo players.

                    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24409961
                    Looks like typical sport JuJitsu. Light contact, and you stop hitting once you get grips, then resumes once on the ground. I would imagine that a Judoka in particular a competitive one would walk right through most of them.
                    Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                    –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by goodlun View Post
                      I would imagine that a Judoka in particular a competitive one would walk right through most of them.
                      I suppose it would come down a little to the individuals but on the whole I would guess they spend a lot of time doing flashy extra they can't use during matches while Judo players especially competition players only really practices for Randori/Competition

                      Had a friend who did "Jitsu" (link to the discussion of the organisation here http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24417) He did something they called Randori Nationals and he seemed to do pretty well in those trained with him a few times. Can't say I rated his Judo skills, nice lad mind

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Nickosaurus View Post
                        I suppose it would come down a little to the individuals but on the whole I would guess they spend a lot of time doing flashy extra they can't use during matches while Judo players especially competition players only really practices for Randori/Competition

                        Had a friend who did "Jitsu" (link to the discussion of the organisation here http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24417) He did something they called Randori Nationals and he seemed to do pretty well in those trained with him a few times. Can't say I rated his Judo skills, nice lad mind
                        Its not even the flashy extras. Even the striking in Sport JJ is extra. Especially with it being light contact. The Judoka can wade in take a few hits get grips and be into his element. The fight is now a Judo fight.
                        Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
                        –George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by hungryjoe View Post
                          I had, many years back, the opportunity to practice knife entry defense with some relatively high level former FMA trained akidoka.

                          These classes separated the 'wheat from the chafe' type technique methodology. While a given move may work in an ideal setting, defense against a Sharpe told the tale.

                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]15457[/ATTACH]

                          disclaimer

                          I am a lowly shodan in aikido.
                          I have always wondered about the sharpie knife training

                          What about the marks done by it? or it must done with the upper torso bared?

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by RurikGreenwulf View Post
                            I have always wondered about the sharpie knife training

                            What about the marks done by it? or it must done with the upper torso bared?
                            Hmm, we may be talking about different things...in my classes we learned 8 ways to kill a full grown attacker with a sharpie marker. Of course these techniques are too dangerous to practice for real...we practice the techniques substituting tanto, box cutters, and homemade shanks...

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Keslet View Post
                              Hmm, we may be talking about different things...in my classes we learned 8 ways to kill a full grown attacker with a sharpie marker. Of course these techniques are too dangerous to practice for real...we practice the techniques substituting tanto, box cutters, and homemade shanks...
                              Sorry I meant you are ruining your t-shirt, hakama or whatever with all the stab marks of the sharpie.

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                                #60
                                I mentioned this thread to our gym's Aikido instructor. He said that's not what the wristlocks are for and concurred with me. Just saying.

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