Aloha :3

[Spartan159]

Hi there,

My name's chrisy. Long time lurker, so I decided to create an account after finding some very helpful threads on here over the years.

I've been doing Muay thai on and off for about 3 years at a few gyms. Also have trained a bit in judo, greco wrestling and bjj, but mostly in a MMA setting and not formally.

Getting back into martial arts now, along side muay thai, I'm looking into training in a more fluid ("soft") art that's more for self defense, but also incorporates striking, juijitsu, and some judo. That led me to consider hapkido. Though I'm noticing some posters recommend against hapkido, so I hope to gain some insight on this forum! :)

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Welcome to Bullshido.

[goshinbudoJJ]

Welcome!

[Phrost]

The vast majority of Hapkido is absolute crap. It's like someone took Aikido, which is neutered Jiujitsu, and then tried to make it back into Jiujitsu, but only added back in some of the pieces and left out that whole "sparring" thing.

Save yourself some time and just find a Judo, BJJ, or Sambo school. "Soft" in the Martial Arts world is intended to be meant in contrast to approaches that involve trying to punch through people's skulls and chest cavities; it does not mean "gentle".

If you're looking for self defense, learn to use a firearm and get a concealed carry permit. Oh wait, you're in Canada. Shit. Get a guard moose.

[Spartan159]

The vast majority of Hapkido is absolute crap. It's like someone took Aikido, which is neutered Jiujitsu, and then tried to make it back into Jiujitsu, but only added back in some of the pieces and left out that whole "sparring" thing.

Save yourself some time and just find a Judo, BJJ, or Sambo school. "Soft" in the Martial Arts world is intended to be meant in contrast to approaches that involve trying to punch through people's skulls and chest cavities; it does not mean "gentle".

If you're looking for self defense, learn to use a firearm and get a concealed carry permit. Oh wait, you're in Canada. Shit. Get a guard moose.

Thanks for the advice. I would prefer an art that remains standing up, and where you use the opponent's momentum against them, with stress on joint locks, and some sweeping/throwing. Judo and jujitsu come to the front of my mind, but I'm sure there's others that I'm missing.

Oh, guard moose are for special ops. Beavers are our front-line of defence.

[goshinbudoJJ]

an art that remains standing up, and where you use the opponent's momentum against them, with stress on joint locks, and some sweeping/throwing.

Judo..... and beavers... definitely get a rabid beaver.

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I would prefer an art that remains standing up, and where you use the opponent's momentum against them, with stress on joint locks, and some sweeping/throwing. Judo and jujitsu come to the front of my mind, but I'm sure there's others that I'm missing.

Its notoriously difficult to use standing joint locks to finish a fight. Its allowed in MMA but they only happen in like less than 1% of fights, so that should tell you something. Standing locks don't even seem to be commonly applied in Pro Hapkido where they're legal. RE sweeping and throwing: judo will provide better ones, because randori teaches the "when" part of applying them against a real resisting person; hapkido is more likely to just teach the "how" part of a technique, then drill it against a pretend scripted attack.

A poster here (and guy I went to college with) named dwkyfm has a hapkido black belt from a school in Korea, but went on to learn grappling, kickboxing and firearms. He'd be a good person to ask about hapkido.

On the plus side, I'd say hapkido is likely to help your breakfalls.

[Spartan159]

Its notoriously difficult to use standing joint locks to finish a fight. Its allowed in MMA but they only happen in like less than 1% of fights, so that should tell you something. Standing locks don't even seem to be commonly applied in Pro Hapkido where they're legal. RE sweeping and throwing: judo will provide better ones, because randori teaches the "when" part of applying them against a real resisting person; hapkido is more likely to just teach the "how" part of a technique, then drill it against a pretend scripted attack.

A poster here (and guy I went to college with) named dwkyfm has a hapkido black belt from a school in Korea, but went on to learn grappling, kickboxing and firearms. He'd be a good person to ask about hapkido.

On the plus side, I'd say hapkido is likely to help your breakfalls.

Thanks for the insight. I suppose by locks, I more meant wrist manipulations, but I see. I suppose I wanted to learn an art that was more defensive that offered a variety of methods to disarm/deescalate/escape from conflict. Given how....aggressive muay thai is.

Oh I wasn't able to find the user you mentioned on this website, am I just being a super noob? :P

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Oh I wasn't able to find the user you mentioned on this website, am I just being a super noob? :P

I spelled it wrong, its dwkfym. Its his fault for picking such a confusing name. This is his profile: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/member.php?u=50042

[goshinbudoJJ]

Its notoriously difficult to use standing joint locks to finish a fight.

100% correct

I spent the better part of 10 years learning to wrist/joint lock people while standing. So far, in my limited amount of BJJ/Judo training, I haven't come remotely close to pulling any of those techniques off against a standing, resisting opponent. It's just not as realistic as some would lead you to believe.

Is it useless? No

Is it practical? Meh....

I've found that it adds a little "sizzle" to my BJJ game, it is by no means a main course.

[W. Rabbit]

Welcome.

[Cuddles]

100% correct

I spent the better part of 10 years learning to wrist/joint lock people while standing. So far, in my limited amount of BJJ/Judo training, I haven't come remotely close to pulling any of those techniques off against a standing, resisting opponent. It's just not as realistic as some would lead you to believe.

Teehee, I feel special cause I've pulled a standing wristlock off once in my life. At a church retreat. On a fat kid. With glasses.
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Ok, maybe not so special.

[OwlMatt]

Welcome to Bullshido.

In my completely biased opinion, the standing locks in arts like aikido and hapkido are a fascinating study of physics. But it's important to remember what these locks really are, historically speaking: disarming techniques invented by swordsmen for use against other swordsmen. That means (a) that we're 500 years past their peak martial relevance, and (b) that they're very difficult to practice in an alive, realistic way.

I do know a lot of guys who say that aikido or hapkido has made them better martial artists, so I don't want to discourage this kind of training altogether, but I think the benefits have more to do with a deeper understanding of biomechanics than any additions to their fighting arsenals.

[goshinbudoJJ]

Teehee, I feel special cause I've pulled a standing wristlock off once in my life. At a church retreat. On a fat kid. With glasses.
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Ok, maybe not so special.

Sounds like your victim may have been "special"... or an aiki-bunny.