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    Why's almost everyone anti strength training?

    I dunno if I should put this here or in the PT forum. Anyway it seems like every dojo/training gym etc I've looked at around here either has no weight facilities or just circuit training conditioning classes where you have to do what the class does.

    If they're asking you to pay over $100 a month to cover all ranges of unarmed combat under the sun is it too much to ask that they have even just a basic barbell setup?

    #2
    Originally posted by Lindz View Post
    Anyway it seems like every dojo/training gym etc I've looked at around here either has no weight facilities or just circuit training conditioning classes where you have to do what the class does.
    You're paying for MA instruction. It's not that they're necessarily against strength training, just that they aren't oriented towards it as much as they are towards improving your abilities as a fighter through MA instruction.

    If you want strength training, find a cheap gym with some free-weights. . .

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      #3
      MMA gyms around here are usually 5-7 nights a week. You're not getting your money's worth if you have to go somewhere else on top of that

      Maybe not everyone's anti strength training. But it's offerred nowhere. And I spoke to a guy promoting one of the local places. He seemed to think that body weight and kettle bells was all the weights you needed.

      Personally at my size weight and (lack of) strength I'd be stupid not to work on strength and MA skill together.
      Last edited by Lindz; 4/15/2013 12:43am, .

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        #4
        How long have you been training for? And what is your height/weight like?

        http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82170

        The above is a good thread to read through in terms of the relationship between strength training and striking.
        Last edited by Eudemic; 4/15/2013 1:33am, .

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          #5
          JUdo on and off about 3 years
          Lifting a bit less than that. Much more consistent than the judo lately
          I just had to quit judo to go back to school

          about 6ft 185

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            #6
            . . . I'll admit I'm kind of confused about what your goals are at the moment. Are you lifting to improve your Judo/fighting? Or is the strength training only tangentially related to the MA?

            Based on your height/weight and time in-system, I think you'd get greater benefit to your Judo from technical practice than from the strength training, but I guess I don't know if that's what you're actually looking for at the moment.

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              #7
              I guess it all depends where you are but i'm guessing it is usually more a matter of student demand and prioritizing class times.
              Heck we have a thread lamenting warm-ups recently.
              To top it off many schools don't have enough qualified instructors/time-slots/floor-space/equipment-budget as it is.

              Our local BJ Penn/UFC gym on the other hand, goes just a tad overboard on the fitness end of things, perhaps.
              Here's just their fitness class menu:

              BARBELL CONDITIONING
              BEGINNING FUNCTIONAL FITNESS
              BELLY DANCING
              BELOW THE BELT
              BOXING SKILLS
              BRUTAL BARRE
              CARDIO FUNK
              CIRCUIT BREAKER
              COMBAT CHALLENGE
              CORE COMBAT
              CORE VINYASA
              COUNTRY LINE DANCING
              FLEX30
              FLEXIBLE STRENGTH
              FUNCTIONAL CONDITIONING
              FUNCTIONAL30
              HARD-CORE CARDIO
              HARDCORE CONDITIONING
              HI-DEFINITION
              HI-OCTANE CONDITIONING
              HOT FUSION
              HOT HULA
              INSANITY CIRCUIT BREAKER
              KICKASS KICKBOXING
              KILLER CORE
              KILLER PSYCLE & CORE
              MAXIMUM ABS
              MAXIMUM BODY CONDITIONING-30
              ON THE ROPES
              PIYO
              POUND ROCKOUT WORKOUT
              POWER TRAIN
              PSYCLE
              PSYCLE CIRCUIT
              PUNISHING PILATES
              RIPPED PSYCLE
              S.W.E.A.T
              SHOCK YOGA
              SPECIAL EVENT- BRAZILIZIAN JIU JITSU WORKSHOP
              STREET JAMZ WERKOUT
              SAMBA AEROBICS
              TRIPLE SLAM
              TOTAL CORE CRUNCH
              U-JAM
              UFC SENIOR FIT
              ULTIMATE BREAKERS
              ULTIMATE FUNDAMENTALS
              VINYASA YOGA
              WARRIOR CHALLENGE
              WOMEN'S SELF DEFENSE
              X-TREME LATIN CARDIO
              YIN YOGA
              YOGA
              ZUMBA
              16-Personal Training
              http://www.ufcgym.com/honolulu/progr...s_descriptions
              Last edited by ChenPengFi; 4/15/2013 1:52am, .

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                #8
                Originally posted by Eudemic View Post
                . . . I'll admit I'm kind of confused about what your goals are at the moment. Are you lifting to improve your Judo/fighting? Or is the strength training only tangentially related to the MA?

                Based on your height/weight and time in-system, I think you'd get greater benefit to your Judo from technical practice than from the strength training, but I guess I don't know if that's what you're actually looking for at the moment.

                I want to be strong and able to kick ass. I'm woefully bad at both so they both need a lot of work. I just can't seem to find a situation where I can work on both at once without spending too much money,.

                Although any further ass kicking skill acquisition will have to wait until after schooling.

                I might also switch judo for something else because class is monday and friday which are the worst for my energy levels. And the current sensei spends too much time talking and tries to cover too many techniques in a class but that's really a tangent

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                  #9
                  Does your school have a wrestling team you could join? That would help further your ass-kicking, and likely grant you access to whatever fitness facilities your school has.

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                    #10
                    Do you lack the discipline or resourcefulness to do it on your own?
                    There's quite a bit you can do on your own, if you're as weak as you say, without spending a lot of money.

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                        #12
                        I have been to a bunch of schools and a bunch of gyms... the reason you won't find a good sized work out area is exactly the issue of SIZE.
                        When you run a MA school, you usually need space for the mats, heavy bags, ring, what have you.
                        When you run a gym, you use said space for the lifting stuff and end up with little mat space.
                        Economics :D MA schools are short on cash and there are a few fixed costs that cut deep Rent being the biggest for most folks...

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                          #13
                          We've got a weights gym about to open at Advance. As someone mentioned, it's about having the right people for the job, without a dedicated strength and conditioning coach a weights gym can actually be a liability due to idiots not knowing how to do the proper exercises and injuring themselves.

                          Also, gym equipment is expensive as fuck, being privy to the costs associated with our smallish set up, it is obvious why some joints would not be able to afford it. Hell, just decking out a decent area with good mats is a shitload of dollars. A good squat rack hurts the back pocket, let alone machines to make those muscles pop. And that's why you'd have machines at a MA gym, so Beefcake McDouchebag can say he trains at a "fight gym" while pumping his guns with the dumbells. Those doing MA won't use them as often as that guy.

                          As I said, I'm privy to a lot of what has gone on behind the scenes at my gym. There is benefits to having a weights gym in a fight gym, but it is fucking expensive to maintain.
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                            #14
                            Franginho and Battlefields nailed it. It's an economic issue. Not only is weight equipment very expensive, it takes up a ton of space and typically requires more insurance due to the idiot factor.
                            Shut the hell up and train.

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                              #15
                              Your school doesn't have a weight room? I spent more time in my highschool weight room then I did in class.

                              How many pullups can you do? They are great for everything. Want to work grip? Do pullups from a gi belt.

                              A lot of gyms are moving towards functional fitness, just because that's what the current trend is. Crossfit, boot camps, suspention trainers, and that type of stuff. Cool thing though is that you can do all of that without paying for a membership if you are creative and motivated.

                              You say you want to be "strong". Well that's a relative term. What I consider strong is the ability to do 20 dead hang pullups. I used to think being able to bench press over 400lbs was strong. My unkle still thinks that way. My brother thinks that if you can walk 10 miles with a 75lb ruck sack you are strong. My wife thinks that if you can mow the lawn, do the dishes, and fold the clothes you are strong.

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