I wanna know, why I have to run around in a circle, crab and shrimp until I'm fucking exhausted and my brain no longer works well enough to retain any new learning information just to take a beginner JuJitsu (BJJ class)
yeah, lets get this out of the way, I'm a certified mental patient with a pack and a half cigarette problem, but I can run a mile or two no problem believe it or not and throw a damn good jab and right cross.... I'm not a complete retard, but i'm glad you asked up front....
When I learned to box. I learned the basics of stance and then footwork first. THEN, and only THEN did they start kicking the shit out of my fat pasty ass (I'm not that fat but I got a 1 pack now, I'm 31 now, started boxing when I was 16, yeah I know that's not a real excuse but I like beer and junk food so fuck you). The point is, they were polite, they showed me new shit, then they dogged me. Not dogged me then tried to show me new shit while collecting a paycheck....... Same shit, different order.
Seriously though. Bas Fucking Rutten learned to grapple, on his own, with copies of fight replay videos and a good and trustworthy sparring partner who didn't know JuJitsu either.. He's pretty good at BJJ from my perspective. AND, AND I suspect he did NOT purposely exhaust both himself and his sparring partner before each grappling study session...... I could be wrong, but that's just a hunch....
Then how come, out of the 3 JuJitsu schools (in North America) I've tried so far (you correct me if most are not actually like this....), why did they all run the same dog your ass mentality first, and then when you are winded as a mother fucker we'll teach you 1 maybe two moves and make sure your membership is paid, this is going to take 3 f'ing years until you get the basics down, now go grapple even though you don't no shit about grapple, but I'll be rich by that time off your noob ass figures it out, 200+ $$$ a month dojo....)
I suspect, now hear me out (because I have been in multiple times over, and can get in great shape and am in decent form now performance wise (not visually, I got a 1 pack like I said), so I'm not making complete excuses here)... that foundational skills are not best learned while in a state of utter physical and hence mental exhaustion.... And that I could learn up to even 3, even partially maybe more like 5 or 7 techniques if not exhausted to extremes beforehand. Especially if repeated. If I was not dogged to exhaustion by running around in a circle and doing shrimps and push-ups and shit for 20 minutes before the class starts, teaches 1 move or two (sometimes without regard to the fact that I'm a beginner), and then jumps right into sparring.
Who's stupid fucking idea was this? I know damn sure it wasn't the Brazillians who came up with this. How do I know this? They run clubs, not schools. A club is open all day long, you come in, you get the training/instruction you need when there is an open trainer, and then if you don't want to work and train hard/stay after that then you get the fuck out and may very well not be welcome back if you make a habbit of ducking work after your sparring or pad work or instructional session, etc. etc..
Look don't get me wrong, I know you gotta be in shape to spar. But to learn basic foundations I don't think being exhausted is a good idea. My boxing club was simple. You show the fuck up. You get trained, where-ever you are at. You start to get tired at some point during training and the trainer recognizes this and hands you a fucking jump rope while he go reads the newspaper and occasionally yells at you to pick up the pace. If you don't like it, GTFO, no complaining. But aside from basic stretching, light warm-up routine which they provide for you when your welcomed to the gym, (cherry pickers, a few jumping jacks, shoulder stretches, etc.) you have your brain working at 100% and body stretched 100% while they set up your initial foot work, punching form, duck/parry/dodge work, combo work, etc., whatever your ready for for the day...
Trust me. I know you can't just apply principal even if you correctly understand it. You need to apply it against a resisting opponent, and if you can't run around in a circle and you can't shrimp and you can't flex a crab pose across the matt a few times and you can't do 20+ pushups once or twice a day, then you just get the concepts and don't have a prayer of applying it to another fighter. i get that. Why though, do I have to pay $200+ at nearly every BJJ school in the US to LEARN basics, only after I am exhausted instead of before I am exhausted?
I suspect it's to stretch out the time it takes to learn BJJ and increase fee collection but shit, I'm a skeptic and you bastards at Bullshido helped partially to make me that way (thanks for that btw) You please correct anything and everything I'm wrong about but I smell a Nation Wide flaw, or perhaps scam, in the arrangement here......
At the very least, I know I am better off finding a sparring partner or willing girlfriend to figure out the moves and positions on first, and then start wasting my money to get my dogging and then some matt work sparring in and test that shit.
You might be different. But I didn't learn computer programming directly after running laps, and I learned that shit pretty quickly, I taught myself and I ain't half bad at it.... cheers. (just an example, and that's with respect to the mental side that is required for understanding and contemplating and retaining juJitsu)
Did I just hit bad luck? or am I correct in assuming that my 3 school, multi-state experience is pretty uniform in the US at least? If it is, I suspect it's good style, and even good instruction, but a poor approach to teaching. Just a thought, cheers.
yeah, lets get this out of the way, I'm a certified mental patient with a pack and a half cigarette problem, but I can run a mile or two no problem believe it or not and throw a damn good jab and right cross.... I'm not a complete retard, but i'm glad you asked up front....
When I learned to box. I learned the basics of stance and then footwork first. THEN, and only THEN did they start kicking the shit out of my fat pasty ass (I'm not that fat but I got a 1 pack now, I'm 31 now, started boxing when I was 16, yeah I know that's not a real excuse but I like beer and junk food so fuck you). The point is, they were polite, they showed me new shit, then they dogged me. Not dogged me then tried to show me new shit while collecting a paycheck....... Same shit, different order.
Seriously though. Bas Fucking Rutten learned to grapple, on his own, with copies of fight replay videos and a good and trustworthy sparring partner who didn't know JuJitsu either.. He's pretty good at BJJ from my perspective. AND, AND I suspect he did NOT purposely exhaust both himself and his sparring partner before each grappling study session...... I could be wrong, but that's just a hunch....
Then how come, out of the 3 JuJitsu schools (in North America) I've tried so far (you correct me if most are not actually like this....), why did they all run the same dog your ass mentality first, and then when you are winded as a mother fucker we'll teach you 1 maybe two moves and make sure your membership is paid, this is going to take 3 f'ing years until you get the basics down, now go grapple even though you don't no shit about grapple, but I'll be rich by that time off your noob ass figures it out, 200+ $$$ a month dojo....)
I suspect, now hear me out (because I have been in multiple times over, and can get in great shape and am in decent form now performance wise (not visually, I got a 1 pack like I said), so I'm not making complete excuses here)... that foundational skills are not best learned while in a state of utter physical and hence mental exhaustion.... And that I could learn up to even 3, even partially maybe more like 5 or 7 techniques if not exhausted to extremes beforehand. Especially if repeated. If I was not dogged to exhaustion by running around in a circle and doing shrimps and push-ups and shit for 20 minutes before the class starts, teaches 1 move or two (sometimes without regard to the fact that I'm a beginner), and then jumps right into sparring.
Who's stupid fucking idea was this? I know damn sure it wasn't the Brazillians who came up with this. How do I know this? They run clubs, not schools. A club is open all day long, you come in, you get the training/instruction you need when there is an open trainer, and then if you don't want to work and train hard/stay after that then you get the fuck out and may very well not be welcome back if you make a habbit of ducking work after your sparring or pad work or instructional session, etc. etc..
Look don't get me wrong, I know you gotta be in shape to spar. But to learn basic foundations I don't think being exhausted is a good idea. My boxing club was simple. You show the fuck up. You get trained, where-ever you are at. You start to get tired at some point during training and the trainer recognizes this and hands you a fucking jump rope while he go reads the newspaper and occasionally yells at you to pick up the pace. If you don't like it, GTFO, no complaining. But aside from basic stretching, light warm-up routine which they provide for you when your welcomed to the gym, (cherry pickers, a few jumping jacks, shoulder stretches, etc.) you have your brain working at 100% and body stretched 100% while they set up your initial foot work, punching form, duck/parry/dodge work, combo work, etc., whatever your ready for for the day...
Trust me. I know you can't just apply principal even if you correctly understand it. You need to apply it against a resisting opponent, and if you can't run around in a circle and you can't shrimp and you can't flex a crab pose across the matt a few times and you can't do 20+ pushups once or twice a day, then you just get the concepts and don't have a prayer of applying it to another fighter. i get that. Why though, do I have to pay $200+ at nearly every BJJ school in the US to LEARN basics, only after I am exhausted instead of before I am exhausted?
I suspect it's to stretch out the time it takes to learn BJJ and increase fee collection but shit, I'm a skeptic and you bastards at Bullshido helped partially to make me that way (thanks for that btw) You please correct anything and everything I'm wrong about but I smell a Nation Wide flaw, or perhaps scam, in the arrangement here......
At the very least, I know I am better off finding a sparring partner or willing girlfriend to figure out the moves and positions on first, and then start wasting my money to get my dogging and then some matt work sparring in and test that shit.
You might be different. But I didn't learn computer programming directly after running laps, and I learned that shit pretty quickly, I taught myself and I ain't half bad at it.... cheers. (just an example, and that's with respect to the mental side that is required for understanding and contemplating and retaining juJitsu)
Did I just hit bad luck? or am I correct in assuming that my 3 school, multi-state experience is pretty uniform in the US at least? If it is, I suspect it's good style, and even good instruction, but a poor approach to teaching. Just a thought, cheers.
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