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    Bullshido still makes me angry

    So, I haven't been really involved too much with Bullshido lately but interesting enough Bullshido always seems to find you. I had a long conversation today with a friend that in retrospect I thought was worth reposting here.

    A few months ago a friend of mine who is a BJJ Blue Belt, took a temporary change in his position that has taken him to a place without BJJ. The closest he was able to find was a Japanese Jujutsu instructor. I gave him the standard quality warnings and let it be.

    Fast forward to today. He explained to me that he was grappling with the black belt that runs the academy when he sunk in a tight armbar. Instead of tapping, the instructor bit his leg in order to escape. He said he let go and just laughed and instructor laughed said in a real fight anything goes.

    Honestly, I flipped a shit. That is not cool. There is a trust with your training partners. When we are on the mat we are training, not fighting. You tap, you ask me to stop, I will stop. I expect the same from the people I am training with. There is no winning or losing on the mat, there is training, save the winning for competition or a real fight. What this was is a violation of his trust.

    This is what really happened, the instructor's ego could not have him "lose" inside his little dominion. Therefore, he escalated a training session from training to a fight. Once you go into bitting, you are now fighting. The instructor is counting on this escalation to be a surprise and cause the lock to release. Well, you don't start a fight from an inferior position. In my opinion once you start to escalate the training session into a fight, its a fight. You do not let go and go for the break not the tap. If they decide to tap at this point it is honestly your decision to stop, you don't have to, they started this fight. If you do let go before the break, explain that the you are under the impression you were training not fighting and if they can't understand the difference you leave.

    Biting is a bitch move, from a bitch with no technique. If you need to bite to get out of an armbar, why are you bothering to train? So remember, if you are planning to bite your way out of a submission during training, you made the training session into a fight and you started this fight in the worst place you could, already in a submission.
    Last edited by plasma; 2/07/2013 7:26pm, .

    #2
    That sux. Get your mate to have rabies shots - and send the bill to the instructor

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      #3
      Someone post the "go ahead an poke out my eye, I will just break your neck" video of Bas Rutten. It is so appropriate for this thread.

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        #4
        What a dick move. What would happen if he did that at a JJ competition?

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          #5
          I would have told him well if anything goes in a fight next time I will just break your arm then your fucking teeth.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Permalost View Post
            What a dick move. What would happen if he did that at a JJ competition?
            DQ (as long as the ref saw it)

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              #7
              That's actually legitimately disgusting, what a fuck wad.

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                #8
                If they both laughed about it afterwards, the instructor must not have bitten hard enough to hurt your friend. He may have been seeking to graphically make a point. Has your friend given you any other indications that the instructor is arrogant or insecure?

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                  #9
                  This part:
                  Originally posted by Plasma View Post
                  He explained to me that he was grappling with the black belt that runs the academy when he sunk in a tight armbar. Instead of tapping, the instructor bit his leg in order to escape. He said he let go and just laughed and instructor laughed said in a real fight anything goes.
                  Reminds me of this:
                  That's from Sean Askew.

                  Here's the part I especially like:
                  He quickly tried to logically explain his reason for losing (typical of Bujinkan practitioners). In the real battle, he would be dead. Period.
                  (Although the funny vest part is cute too.)

                  Ever since reading this, I try to remember two things that I think are important to training:
                  1.) "Failure" on the mat is a gift because it has no serious consequences and shows me where I need to work to improve. There's no place for excuses.
                  2.) You only bring the training you've got to a real fight, so you better make the most of your training time. There will be no opportunity for excuses.

                  I'm only human, so it's not always easy to live by these lessons. But in the long run, I realize I can't accept my own excuses; that wouldn't be training, that is self-delusion.

                  It's too bad the JJJ black belt in your story hasn't figured this out. You're right, biting isn't simply a dirty trick tactic, it's really a type of "excuse" because it allows him to conveinently ignore the truth that he was effectively submitted.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by dougguod View Post
                    If they both laughed about it afterwards, the instructor must not have bitten hard enough to hurt your friend. He may have been seeking to graphically make a point. Has your friend given you any other indications that the instructor is arrogant or insecure?
                    I didn't ask for more info. When I told him I would of broken his arm, he responded that the instructor deserved respect and he couldn't do that to him. That is when I ranted that the instructor disrespected him by biting him. He never told me the bite was playful or to prove a point, just to escape.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Plasma View Post
                      I didn't ask for more info. When I told him I would of broken his arm, he responded that the instructor deserved respect and he couldn't do that to him. That is when I ranted that the instructor disrespected him by biting him.
                      Damn straight. How petty and insecure must one be to be THAT worried about "losing" in practise?

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                        #12
                        I'd be interested to know if the instructor will still roll with him.

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                          #13
                          The "polite bite" deserves a destroyed elbow and camel clutch.

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                            #14
                            This reminds me of an encounter I had with a systema instructor who did a forceful takedown into a scarfhold, then pressed his fist into my nose hard until I tapped. He interjected himself into the pair I was working with (we were basically grappling from the knees). Thinking back, I think he took my position-based groundwork and tapping everybody out to mean that I was just using muscular force and not really learning anything, and was trying to give me a taste of my own medicine. But I was nice and relaxed the whole time, and didn't even spaz out while he was, which I think makes me better at systema. And even if I was being a jerk (I wasn't), I was a new guy and he never once told me to tone it down or anything, so poor coaching.

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                              #15
                              I agree with everything you said.

                              I hope that the instructor didn't bite hard and was just doing it to prove a valid point: Sometimes shit will escalate and you're going to have to deal with the consequences of leaving any opening.

                              I mean with all his years of experience and hours perfecting technique, he must have been trying inform your friend of some deeper meaning of the martial arts.

                              Surely he couldn't be such a a giant douche bag that he would rather resort to fighting like a dirty rotten hobo with rabies rather then say "Good Job, you got me."

                              Surely.....

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