I am growing tired of the digital bashing some MMA enthusiasts dish out to traditional karate. From what I have read by far the largest defamation is that traditional karate is ineffective. I take objection to this point of view. There is no doubt that MMA is effective, I do not dispute evolution - however the evolution of this sport occurs within the confines of a cage, literally. In its mainstream competitive form, MMA is a watered down yet no BS blend of what can be learned quickly and delivered effectively by athletes combating under rules in a cage ... no dispute that it is effective within this context. If you put a karateka in a cage with an MMA fighter then the outcome is evident - the MMA will tackle the karateka to the ground, sit on him and pound his coconut like a gorilla on heat. However karate is a martial art path which means so much more than cages, tough guys and egos. Having trained in Kickboxing and freestyle borderline MMA in the past and then trading this path for traditional karate, I have come to see profound differences in the two. On the matter of traditional karate being ineffective, no one would dispute that most real fights start and end with the right hand ... everything else is dropped like a colon in Bali when its really on like Donkey Kong. In my first year of learning Shito Ryu Shukokai, almost every class of the five classes a week were spent learning how to throw a strong right punch. Even after years of training in modern MMA or 'freestyles' ... it wasn't until I started training in traditional karate that I discovered that I couldn't punch at all. Best example ... try smashing a rock hard kick shield and stopping it dead with a hard right punch when the shield is being held by a 110 kilogram karateka charging towards you. All the Kickboxing and freestyle MMA methods of delivering a strong right punch mean nothing as your entire wrist and arm collapses. Traditional karate is effective ... just not when rules and rounds are involved. No real fight rarely runs beyond a few seconds ... before the MMA fighter can shape up to shoot the karateka to the ground the karateka delivers a fast hard straight punch to his chin shattering his jaw like a glass ashtray. However this situation should never occur for a real karateka ... a real karateka would do their best not to put themselves in harms way in the first place. What kind of person would enjoy doing such to another human being?
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Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View Posttry smashing a rock hard kick shield and stopping it dead with a hard right punch when the shield is being held by a 110 kilogram karateka charging towards you.
Traditional karate is effective ... just not when rules and rounds are involved. No real fight rarely runs beyond a few seconds ... before the MMA fighter can shape up to shoot the karateka to the ground the karateka delivers a fast hard straight punch to his chin shattering his jaw like a glass ashtray.
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Kudos for trying to win one for the good guys, but prepare for a full scale karate bashing coming your way. This is a predominately MMA forum. In my experience, the karate bashing is usually directed at karate that doesn't train alive or spar. There are those guys out there that say "karate sucks and it's ineffective". Those guys however are talking directly out of their ass and shouldn't be paid attention too. Karate can be and is effective. Train hard and train alive. Is karate going to teach how to grapple like a Gracie? No. It will teach some very effective striking when trained realistically with a full resisting opponent though. Would a black belt in Kyokushin beat an amateur to pro MMA fighter under an MMA rule set. No. Put the same two fighters under Knockdown karate rules fighting bare knuckle and the MMA fighters odds go way down. Different arts are effective or less effective with different rule sets. Bottom line is karate is effective and if you train alive then you know that. You talk about being a karateka, so act like one and don't let the digital karate bashing get to you. Osu!
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Originally posted by Budo_Brown View PostKudos for trying to win one for the good guys, but prepare for a full scale karate bashing coming your way. This is a predominately MMA forum.
In my experience, the karate bashing is usually directed at karate that doesn't train alive or spar.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostI am growing tired of the digital bashing some MMA enthusiasts dish out to traditional karate. From what I have read by far the largest defamation is that traditional karate is ineffective. I take objection to this point of view. There is no doubt that MMA is effective, I do not dispute evolution - however the evolution of this sport occurs within the confines of a cage, literally. In its mainstream competitive form, MMA is a watered down yet no BS blend of what can be learned quickly and delivered effectively by athletes combating under rules in a cage ... no dispute that it is effective within this context. If you put a karateka in a cage with an MMA fighter then the outcome is evident - the MMA will tackle the karateka to the ground, sit on him and pound his coconut like a gorilla on heat. However karate is a martial art path which means so much more than cages, tough guys and egos. Having trained in Kickboxing and freestyle borderline MMA in the past and then trading this path for traditional karate, I have come to see profound differences in the two. On the matter of traditional karate being ineffective, no one would dispute that most real fights start and end with the right hand ... everything else is dropped like a colon in Bali when its really on like Donkey Kong. In my first year of learning Shito Ryu Shukokai, almost every class of the five classes a week were spent learning how to throw a strong right punch. Even after years of training in modern MMA or 'freestyles' ... it wasn't until I started training in traditional karate that I discovered that I couldn't punch at all. Best example ... try smashing a rock hard kick shield and stopping it dead with a hard right punch when the shield is being held by a 110 kilogram karateka charging towards you. All the Kickboxing and freestyle MMA methods of delivering a strong right punch mean nothing as your entire wrist and arm collapses. Traditional karate is effective ... just not when rules and rounds are involved. No real fight rarely runs beyond a few seconds ... before the MMA fighter can shape up to shoot the karateka to the ground the karateka delivers a fast hard straight punch to his chin shattering his jaw like a glass ashtray. However this situation should never occur for a real karateka ... a real karateka would do their best not to put themselves in harms way in the first place. What kind of person would enjoy doing such to another human being?
I feel that a subsequent post about how you train to fight multiple opponents is not far off.
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Try hitting the return key once in a while to create the odd paragraph, makes reading so much easier and less likely that people will dismiss your post because it's hard on the eyes.Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostI am growing tired of the digital bashing some MMA enthusiasts dish out to traditional karate.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostFrom what I have read by far the largest defamation is that traditional karate is ineffective.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View Post..//.. There is no doubt that MMA is effective, I do not dispute evolution - however the evolution of this sport occurs within the confines of a cage, literally. In its mainstream competitive form, MMA is a watered down yet no BS blend of what can be learned quickly and delivered effectively by athletes combating under rules in a cage ... no dispute that it is effective within this context. If you put a karateka in a cage with an MMA fighter then the outcome is evident - the MMA will tackle the karateka to the ground, sit on him and pound his coconut like a gorilla on heat.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostHowever karate is a martial art path which means so much more than cages, tough guys and egos.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostHaving trained in Kickboxing and freestyle borderline MMA in the past and then trading this path for traditional karate, I have come to see profound differences in the two.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostOn the matter of traditional karate being ineffective, no one would dispute that most real fights start and end with the right hand ...
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View Post..//..everything else is dropped like a colon in Bali when its really on like Donkey Kong. In my first year of learning Shito Ryu Shukokai, almost every class of the five classes a week were spent learning how to throw a strong right punch. Even after years of training in modern MMA or 'freestyles' ... it wasn't until I started training in traditional karate that I discovered that I couldn't punch at all.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostBest example ... try smashing a rock hard kick shield and stopping it dead with a hard right punch when the shield is being held by a 110 kilogram karateka charging towards you.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View Post..//.. All the Kickboxing and freestyle MMA methods of delivering a strong right punch mean nothing as your entire wrist and arm collapses. Traditional karate is effective ... just not when rules and rounds are involved. No real fight rarely runs beyond a few seconds ... before the MMA fighter can shape up to shoot the karateka to the ground the karateka delivers a fast hard straight punch to his chin shattering his jaw like a glass ashtray.
If you want to step up and film yourself doing that very thing then I'd be willing to bet you'd fail. Please prove me wrong however.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostHowever this situation should never occur for a real karateka ... a real karateka would do their best not to put themselves in harms way in the first place.
Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostWhat kind of person would enjoy doing such to another human being?
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Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostI am growing tired of the digital bashing some MMA enthusiasts dish out to traditional karate. From what I have read by far the largest defamation is that traditional karate is ineffective. I take objection to this point of view. There is no doubt that MMA is effective, I do not dispute evolution - however the evolution of this sport occurs within the confines of a cage, literally. In its mainstream competitive form, MMA is a watered down yet no BS blend of what can be learned quickly and delivered effectively by athletes combating under rules in a cage ... no dispute that it is effective within this context. If you put a karateka in a cage with an MMA fighter then the outcome is evident - the MMA will tackle the karateka to the ground, sit on him and pound his coconut like a gorilla on heat. However karate is a martial art path which means so much more than cages, tough guys and egos. Having trained in Kickboxing and freestyle borderline MMA in the past and then trading this path for traditional karate, I have come to see profound differences in the two. On the matter of traditional karate being ineffective, no one would dispute that most real fights start and end with the right hand ... everything else is dropped like a colon in Bali when its really on like Donkey Kong. In my first year of learning Shito Ryu Shukokai, almost every class of the five classes a week were spent learning how to throw a strong right punch. Even after years of training in modern MMA or 'freestyles' ... it wasn't until I started training in traditional karate that I discovered that I couldn't punch at all. Best example ... try smashing a rock hard kick shield and stopping it dead with a hard right punch when the shield is being held by a 110 kilogram karateka charging towards you. All the Kickboxing and freestyle MMA methods of delivering a strong right punch mean nothing as your entire wrist and arm collapses. Traditional karate is effective ... just not when rules and rounds are involved. No real fight rarely runs beyond a few seconds ... before the MMA fighter can shape up to shoot the karateka to the ground the karateka delivers a fast hard straight punch to his chin shattering his jaw like a glass ashtray. However this situation should never occur for a real karateka ... a real karateka would do their best not to put themselves in harms way in the first place. What kind of person would enjoy doing such to another human being?
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Wow, such hostility after a block of text punched out from my phone. All I can say is thanks for the wise words Budo Brown. I am new as of a few hours ago to forum posting in general and also to this site and I won't be back. I meant everything I stated ... in all its subjectivity as it is after all, just my opinion. Despite the innuendo I used for a bit of fun, I was simply venting frustrations from the negative comments I've read online. I've got better things to do than tear down people I don't know, tends to lack compassion for the other guy. I won't be back, not my scene - prefer constructive criticism to aggressive criticism, which is weak considering the post I wrote. However this was directed to an issue and not to anyone personally. I lowered myself by posting my thoughts on this site, at my age I should have known better. A real karateka would never have hanged themselves out for humiliation like that. Whoops, you live and you learn.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostWow, such hostility after a block of text punched out from my phone. All I can say is thanks for the wise words Budo Brown. I am new as of a few hours ago to forum posting in general and also to this site and I won't be back. I meant everything I stated ... in all its subjectivity as it is after all, just my opinion. Despite the innuendo I used for a bit of fun, I was simply venting frustrations from the negative comments I've read online. I've got better things to do than tear down people I don't know, tends to lack compassion for the other guy. I won't be back, not my scene - prefer constructive criticism to aggressive criticism, which is weak considering the post I wrote. However this was directed to an issue and not to anyone personally. I lowered myself by posting my thoughts on this site, at my age I should have known better. A real karateka would never have hanged themselves out for humiliation like that. Whoops, you live and you learn.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostWow, such hostility after a block of text punched out from my phone. All I can say is thanks for the wise words Budo Brown. I am new as of a few hours ago to forum posting in general and also to this site and I won't be back. I meant everything I stated ... in all its subjectivity as it is after all, just my opinion. Despite the innuendo I used for a bit of fun, I was simply venting frustrations from the negative comments I've read online. I've got better things to do than tear down people I don't know, tends to lack compassion for the other guy. I won't be back, not my scene - prefer constructive criticism to aggressive criticism, which is weak considering the post I wrote. However this was directed to an issue and not to anyone personally. I lowered myself by posting my thoughts on this site, at my age I should have known better. A real karateka would never have hanged themselves out for humiliation like that. Whoops, you live and you learn.
If you took a moment to look at what I study, you'd see that I'm not involved in modern sporting martial arts and very much into old school bujutsu - shame you failed to see the wood for the trees.
Now, on the other hand, if you want to stay, feel free, just don't get your knickers in a twist over triviality.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Needer View PostWow, such hostility after a block of text punched out from my phone. All I can say is thanks for the wise words Budo Brown. I am new as of a few hours ago to forum posting in general and also to this site and I won't be back. I meant everything I stated ... in all its subjectivity as it is after all, just my opinion. Despite the innuendo I used for a bit of fun, I was simply venting frustrations from the negative comments I've read online. I've got better things to do than tear down people I don't know, tends to lack compassion for the other guy. I won't be back, not my scene - prefer constructive criticism to aggressive criticism, which is weak considering the post I wrote. However this was directed to an issue and not to anyone personally. I lowered myself by posting my thoughts on this site, at my age I should have known better. A real karateka would never have hanged themselves out for humiliation like that. Whoops, you live and you learn.
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Originally posted by Rock Ape View PostFill your boots with this one.
OP punched out a block of text from his phone, putting little effort into constructing any kind of coherent argument or even punctuating his post, and now he has no interest in defending his opinions. Show's over.
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