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    Double knife defense all the way across the sky

    Ok, feel free to move this thread if it's too bogged down in hypothetical YMAS-ness, but I'm posting it here first.
    As the the sages said, trying to take on a knife-wielding opponent in a fight is a bitch and a half and something that should generally be avoided. I came out of my one real-life knife encounter unscathed, but my antagonist was extremely drunk and I was wearing a shirt of chainmail, so it was pretty ideal conditions.
    So let's ramp this scenarioup: fighting a guy with two knives, one in each hand. The vast majority of the knife-defense strategies of engagement out there involve seizing the knife hand with both of yours in some capacity, which obviously Does Not Fly if the guy has a second knife to stab you with while you try and wrist-return the first out of his hands.
    So, with the power of imagination, let's say your caught fighting this double-knife wielding villain, whilst unarmed. And this is motherfucking thunderdome we're talking about (minus the chainsaws on the walls), so no fleeing the scene or offering to buy him a drink instead or any of that weak-ass shit that works in real life. Just you and 2xKnifeMan, to the death.
    What's the plan? Arm drag-->full nelson--> neck crank? Early KO before you get stabbed to death? My fascination for absurdly fantastical and one-sided fight scenarios must be fed.
    The fool thinks himself immortal,
    If he hold back from battle;
    But old age will grant him no truce,
    Even if spears spare him.

    #2
    Such a fantastical threat calls for an adequately fantastical response, in turn. Clearly the answer is to helicopter kick both knives -yes, both at once- out of the hypothetical maniac's hands, Van Damme style.

    Then proceed to move in with whichever touch of death is your preferred method of execution, naturally.

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      #3
      I've actually tried this in class. Nothing works, you just die.

      In an IRL situation I'd prolly try to stay as far away from the fucker as possible and just throw shit at him/hit him with a chair.

      Plan C would probably be the JKD pull-your-belt-off-and-hit-him-with-it move.

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        #4
        A) always carry SAR approved whistle
        B) squat, dump in own hands and go scat missile on opponent
        C) disable with rapier wit
        D) place steel capped safety footwear on hands and assail opponents hands

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          #5
          First of all, I don't like the odds at all. I already know that all of the knife defense techniques that I have learned over the years are pretty much useless in anything less than a textbook attack. That having been said, I am going for a low center-of-gravity counter. Low leg and groin kicks both for decreasing his mobility and for distraction until I can either hit something vital or disarm.

          My objective under this scenario: to survive with minimal damage. Now, if I actually get one or both of the knives away from this pseudo-gladiator, he better think fast LOL.

          I thought I spelled it wrong, but as I said I'm a mechanic not an English professor.

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            #6
            Good point about the low-level kicks. They've definitely given me the most success in empty hand vs knife sparring.

            Savate-style toe kick to the knee with safety boots ftw.

            Of course, you're fucked if he knows how to shoot.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Fuzzy View Post
              Of course, you're fucked if he knows how to shoot.
              I would prefer that he drop the knives and shoot. At least that way, I will be on my ass, but won't get cut as much.

              I thought I spelled it wrong, but as I said I'm a mechanic not an English professor.

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                #8
                In a Thunderdome situation, your only real hope is to continue to zone to one side, so you're only dealing with one knife at a time, and pray for some sort of ballistic disarm (defanging). Knee and lower kicks may work, but will likely only be in a range that he will be able to easily stab you. Kicking higher than the knee is a great way to get yourself stabbed in the leg, especially since he has two knives.

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                  #9
                  Are there any rocks lying around in this hypothetical battle arena, and are you any good at pitching?

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                    #10
                    Unfortunately for Chief Twoblade, I always keep two shanks squirreled away in my butthole. So I would shit them out, cut him to ribbons because I'm better than him, then wait for him to die from the E-Coli infection.

                    Edit - Oops, didn't realize this was in The Armory. Excuse me while I lube up for jnp's phallus.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheMightyMcClaw View Post
                      So, with the power of imagination, let's say your caught fighting this double-knife wielding villain, whilst unarmed. And this is motherfucking thunderdome we're talking about (minus the chainsaws on the walls), so no fleeing the scene or offering to buy him a drink instead or any of that weak-ass shit that works in real life. Just you and 2xKnifeMan, to the death.
                      What's the plan?
                      Systema :-

                      "So, yeah, Zen teachers may well insult you, work you to the bone, hit you with sticks, shout verbal abuse at you, and punch the shit out of you.
                      And when the shit's been punched out of you, you might just find that you're far better-off without it." - Vieux Normand

                      "So in short, BJJ wins again. BJJ, and chainmail." - TheMightyMcClaw

                      "On bullshido, your opinions are not sacred, neither are your feelings." - Scrapper

                      "You entered the lions' den. Don't bitch if you get eaten." - danniboi07

                      "Needless to say, it's much easier to clear a bunch of drunk kids out of your house when you're yelling GTFO and carrying a samurai sword." - DerAuslander

                      "Eventually, I realized it doesn't matter what art you train, what matters is the method in which you train. Training in an alive manner, under skilled and qualified instruction, is the single most important aspect of gaining martial skill. All else is window dressing." - JNP : Saying it how it is!

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                        #12
                        Infractions... infractions for everybody. This round is on the house.

                        In a two knife, can't run away type of scenario I would say keep moving and try to improvise a shield out of whatever is handy. But unless you get lucky and find something with some reach on it to hit the guy with I think you would be fucked.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JingMerchant! View Post
                          Systema :-

                          I don't get how anyone can take that theriously.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bodhi108 View Post
                            I don't get how anyone can take that seriously(?).
                            I certainly wasn't. 'Double knife defence' in Youtube, this one being the only one were the assailant consistently tried to use two knives.

                            I also had forgotten this was in the Armoury.

                            I would also like to offer my apologise to JNP, for my tone.
                            "So, yeah, Zen teachers may well insult you, work you to the bone, hit you with sticks, shout verbal abuse at you, and punch the shit out of you.
                            And when the shit's been punched out of you, you might just find that you're far better-off without it." - Vieux Normand

                            "So in short, BJJ wins again. BJJ, and chainmail." - TheMightyMcClaw

                            "On bullshido, your opinions are not sacred, neither are your feelings." - Scrapper

                            "You entered the lions' den. Don't bitch if you get eaten." - danniboi07

                            "Needless to say, it's much easier to clear a bunch of drunk kids out of your house when you're yelling GTFO and carrying a samurai sword." - DerAuslander

                            "Eventually, I realized it doesn't matter what art you train, what matters is the method in which you train. Training in an alive manner, under skilled and qualified instruction, is the single most important aspect of gaining martial skill. All else is window dressing." - JNP : Saying it how it is!

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                              #15
                              Cut deeply into one forearm, then the other, repeat as necessary, assuming that this Thunderdome has other edged weapons too.

                              No weapon- arm drag, dump on stomach side to force them to post with hands, likely letting go of at least 1 knife. Football punt to the junk, stomp their back into wine with Sakuraba double stomps. Remove bloody shoe and wave it in the air as you yell "Are you not entertained!?!"

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