What I hate about Bujinkan

[OldShintaro]

What an odd statement?
Nothing constructive to add? Just filling the void?

You can do better than that.

Have you done Bujinkan?

What is your opinion?

[OldShintaro]

I already feel bad about that.
Nevermind
Tapatalk

See, I knew that you were smarter than that comment.

So have you seen any Bujinkan? What did you think? And why did you think that?

[Jujutsuka desu]

Even though I am not from Bujinkan. I think there is somethings that go on in Bujinkan that folks are not aware of. And yeah I am sure the response of "A lot of the Bujinkan haters on this website USED to be in Bujinkan" can be brought up.

But even Bujinkan members will tell you that quality control is a big problem in Bujinkan as a lot of people in Bujinkan got into Bujinkan for the wrong reason.(Usually along the lines of wanting to be a Ninja) But I have a friend in Bujinkan who uses Bujinkan techniques very lively and in sparring. He trained under a Japanese teacher in Japan. He gave me a private video showing somethings. I saw most of the students were Japanese and there was like two or three westerners. Which kinda booted the argument of Bujinkan being all about fat westerners(or something to that effect).

That is the thing with Japanese martial arts that are tradition based. You can't really base off videos on youtube or hearsay.

[OldShintaro]

Yea, it is a massive hurdle the Ninjer thing.
It was obviously brought in during the Ninja boom to cash in on it.

Maybe your friend answer this, has he ever done anything that was from the Shoninki, Ninpiden or Bansenshukai?
Because as far as I know Bujinkan is a crippled Martial Art. There are lots of broken things in it like the loss of basics.
When Hatsumi passes away, I don't know what will happen. Get better? or just fade away.

[Jujutsuka desu]

Yea, it is a massive hurdle the Ninjer thing.
It was obviously brought in during the Ninja boom to cash in on it.

Maybe your friend answer this, has he ever done anything that was from the Shoninki, Ninpiden or Bansenshukai?
Because as far as I know Bujinkan is a crippled Martial Art. There are lots of broken things in it like the loss of basics.
When Hatsumi passes away, I don't know what will happen. Get better? or just fade away.

Actually I can answer to you YES. A lot of what is said is found in Takamatsuden Ninjutsu arts. Keep in mind that it will be hard to find this taught in your everyday Bujinkan class. Why? Because most of them aren't taught it. Why is that? Because a lot of it is seen as useless to learn/teach.
People are more interested in the "fighting Ninja"
My friend actually has some videos on Gozie showing a little bit of it. You can find me on gozie and message me@Jujutsuka. I'll show you the videos from there. I don't want to blast his videos all over a forum.

[Jim_Jude]

Actually I can answer to you YES. A lot of what is said is found in Takamatsuden Ninjutsu arts. Keep in mind that it will be hard to find this taught in your everyday Bujinkan class. Why? Because most of them aren't taught it. Why is that? Because a lot of it is seen as useless to learn/teach.
People are more interested in the "fighting Ninja"
My friend actually has some videos on Gozie showing a little bit of it. You can find me on gozie and message me@Jujutsuka. I'll show you the videos from there. I don't want to blast his videos all over a forum.

that's the same damn issue with all of these styles, claiming "quality control" & shit. "Oh, I have a friend that trains it for r34L and it works!" Whatever. Silat is the same, if not worse than the Bujinkan, over this issue. Finding quality Silat or Bujinkan training is like finding a needle in a haystack, & even then, it's STILL just Silat or Bujinkan. Guys in the Booj who can actually fight are guaranteed to have brought fighting skills with them, or they picked them up thru cross training. Anyone would be better off doing Judo plus Boxing or Muay Thai. Plus, most anyone doing Bujinkan weapons sucks because they don't really spar, FMAs that do contact training will yield much better results for less time & money. If I could go back & do it all again, I'd do it different.

[The_Beak]

See, I knew that you were smarter than that comment.

So have you seen any Bujinkan? What did you think? And why did you think that?

Smarter? Why smarter? Was it smart of me to retract my comment to not incur the wrath of a ninja?

No I edited the comment because I am trying to imitate cooler and more skillful MAist than myself who both put up and shut up. And editing the comment was my best shot at the Shut up part.

Have i seen Buj? Yes. What did I think? I thought it sucked. Why? Because the Demo I saw consisted of some smug little shit first giving a little speech about how deadly he was then going around tapping guys on their chest as they threw themselves to the ground.

At one point he grabbed a female student by her ponytail and moved her over when she stood in the wrong place for the skit they were about to preform.

The funny thing was I was waiting to be wowed. I was training in another BS art at the time and still thought that some of these art where awesome and real and couldn't wait to see the Ninja Demo. All through the speech I believed all the crap the Ninjer was spouting then after seeing the techniques I felt robbed.

But that's probably because he didn't train in Australia in the 80's I heard those guys had the real. Them and the Japanese but not all the Japs just the ones who trained the Austrailian guys and the ones who trained Judo and Karate before going full Buj.

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And what happened then?
Well, in YMAS they say
OldShintaro's butthole grew 3 sizes that day.

[Gezere]

Even though I am not from Bujinkan. I think there is somethings that go on in Bujinkan that folks are not aware of. And yeah I am sure the response of "A lot of the Bujinkan haters on this website USED to be in Bujinkan" can be brought up.

But even Bujinkan members will tell you that quality control is a big problem in Bujinkan as a lot of people in Bujinkan got into Bujinkan for the wrong reason.(Usually along the lines of wanting to be a Ninja) But I have a friend in Bujinkan who uses Bujinkan techniques very lively and in sparring. He trained under a Japanese teacher in Japan. He gave me a private video showing somethings. I saw most of the students were Japanese and there was like two or three westerners. Which kinda booted the argument of Bujinkan being all about fat westerners(or something to that effect).

That is the thing with Japanese martial arts that are tradition based. You can't really base off videos on youtube or hearsay.

It's always funny how the guy who never trained in Japan is telling the people who have how it really is.

[OldShintaro]

Is it not smarter to think like that in the first place?

That wasn't a demo at all, just a ego trip by that instructor.
I'm sorry that they sold you on the Ninjer garbage. It simply isn't true. It really pisses me off that Bujinkan used that. Do you remember what year that was??

I don't know about other countries, all I can comment on, from what people have said, is that things were different. I don't know why, they just were. I need to find my old instructor.
But I would definitely agree that people had bases in Karate and Judo, just as an example, that probably made the difference.

[Colin]

But that's probably because he didn't train in Australia in the 80's I heard those guys had the real.

This whole thread was worth it, if for this gem alone.

[OldShintaro]

that's the same damn issue with all of these styles, claiming "quality control" & shit. "Oh, I have a friend that trains it for r34L and it works!" Whatever. Silat is the same, if not worse than the Bujinkan, over this issue. Finding quality Silat or Bujinkan training is like finding a needle in a haystack, & even then, it's STILL just Silat or Bujinkan. Guys in the Booj who can actually fight are guaranteed to have brought fighting skills with them, or they picked them up thru cross training. Anyone would be better off doing Judo plus Boxing or Muay Thai. Plus, most anyone doing Bujinkan weapons sucks because they don't really spar, FMAs that do contact training will yield much better results for less time & money. If I could go back & do it all again, I'd do it different.

The problem with Bujinkan is that the level of instructor is very low, to the point of laughable.
My personal belief is that when the scrolls were written, punching and throwing were quite simply common knowledge. It wasn't a choice but needed as it was a very violent society. The problem is now we all don't have that common knowledge, it is lost due to having a structured society with Police.

[OldShintaro]

I heard that Tassie is still in the 80's.

[BJMills]

Here's my take on this thread...

OldShinatero comes in with, 'the Booj has gone downhill.' It's a website where people advocate live training so... on theone hand no one is going to disagree that is sucks.

But...

The counter argument is, maybe yes, maybe no, doesn't matter, point is it has always sucked from day 1.

After enough ex-boojers chime in and say it always sucked he starts to move to the 'r3al d3adly' that was Australian booj in the 90s. Like it was important to learn the concepts in the booj, just not the techniques as they are actually taught. Magical thinking at its stupidest.

More ex-boojers who trained in Japan even earlier chime in so that argument dies on a vine.

So we get to the scrolls... but that can't fly because no one even takes it seriously.

Which leaves OldShinatro with the 'advanced' argument where you know, once you have all the basics- because them ninjers were really samurai way back when you add the booj stuff to them.

The crux if this argument is, if you already have good throws the booj will make them better. If you already have good standup the booj will make it better. If you already have good joint locks the booj will make them better... ad infinitim.

Here's the thing though Old boy. If you have all those things, and can already fight, adding the crap that the booj teaches will only make them worse. Not better. Not different in a good way. Just plain fucking worse.

Clearly and obviously you're still clinging to your idea that there's a lot of good in the booj, if you just find the right angle to get to it.

Go back to the old Takamatsu videos, look at what he is teaching. If you really did and Judo or kyokushin worth a damn you can see it for the bullshit that it is from miles away.

That fat crack whore in torn fishnets sitting on the corner, you don't need to get intimate with her to know she's a fat crack whore. There's not a beautiful princess hiding inside those cum crusted panties of hers.

I'm sorry, I really am, you wasted a lot of time and money I'm sure, but give it up.

[Gezere]

The problem with Bujinkan is that the level of instructor is very low, to the point of laughable.
My personal belief is that when the scrolls were written, punching and throwing were quite simply common knowledge. It wasn't a choice but needed as it was a very violent society. The problem is now we all don't have that common knowledge, it is lost due to having a structured society with Police.

Have you actually ever sat down and read any densho or makimono? The don't really hold a lot of information in the first place. Most of the time they are not illustrated, and those that are they are mostly done poorly unless the author had some artistic skill. They are usually a catalog of techniques and IF they are described they are usually something like "grab hand and throw to the ground." They are not very useful unless you are already versed in the school. I own several and I know anyone who read them would not get a good idea of that to do. I mention this because you brought up "scrolls" several times.

[OldShintaro]

First all this from someone who has never done Bujinkan?

Not once did I use those small minded words "Real Deadly", they are your words.
If you can read Classical Japanese, I am quite happy to talk about scrolls. So you have another opinion that you know nothing about.

Bujinkan is not meant to make anything better. Again your words. I used "Add-on". Maybe your having trouble with that?
I have no regrets.

But what I don't understand is the person with the biggest opinion has never, by their own admission, done Bujinkan.