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Originally posted by OldShintaro View PostYou have had your opinion, and your opinion and just that. Your opinion.
Again, I personally would not comment on something I haven't done.
I am not disagreeing that 95% of the people that Bujinkan currently produce couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
What I am looking at is that 5%.
What are the factors that make them different?
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Originally posted by OldShintaro View PostAaahh the comedy relief from Tassie. That is about all they produce down there beside apples.
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Originally posted by OldShintaro View PostYou have had your opinion, and your opinion and just that. Your opinion.
Again, I personally would not comment on something I haven't done.
I am not disagreeing that 95% of the people that Bujinkan currently produce couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
What I am looking at is that 5%.
What are the factors that make them different?
Then you ask him his opinion after telling him his opinion doesn't matter. When something is demonstrably true or false, one doesn't have to be in the demonstration to understand that it is true or false.
Besides, this isn't in the Japanese style forum; it's in the open forum. This nitpicking over who can have a valid opinion is annoying and doesn't apply here.
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Originally posted by OldShintaro View PostBut how can anyone take you serious if you have never experienced it. And the only experience you have is watching some fool on Youtube.
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I can, but his point is salinet. This is a website where evidence is king. There are also organized throwdowns where people claiming that their styles are effective can show up and prove it. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to circle jerk about BBT or anything else, go to Martial Talk or MAP.
But back to the evdience at hand, since evidence is all we have to go by...
There's lots and lots of BBT stuff out there and none of it is good.
You started the thread with the argument that the BBT had somehow gone downhill, implying that at one time it was a legitimate source of knowledge for hand to hand combat. I posted videos of both the founder and his teacher demonstrating absolute crap to illustrate that in fact if you go back ot the source it has always been crap, but you never really addressed that, only my lack of direct training in BBT.
I've seen vidoes. I've seen classes (both BBT and Genbukan), I've known people who have studied at one or the other and more to the point there are plenty of people on this site who studied in Japan and say it is bullshit. So do I need to go take classes where I stand across from someone, lunge punch, and hold it in place so they can put me in a lock and have me throw myself? Because I really don't feel like wasting my fucking time. And you attitude is, despite all evidence to the contrary, no one can have an informed opinion on something unless they waste copious amounts of time on it.
You attitude is frankly the exact kind of bullshit this website was created to address.
You want effective BBT? Since it seems to not be everything that they do why don't you go ahead and define what it is.
If it's not the stuff that Hatsumi and Takamatsu are doing then what exactly is it? And if it is the stuff that somehow works, why don't you address the footage and make an attempt to rationalize how in the hell some bullshit like that would actually work.
Right now you're just talking shit, without evidence, and backing it up with an "I know better than you" attitude because you wasted your time with something that you have admitted to wasting your time with.
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Everyone can't seem to let go of the BS 10 foot lunge punch. I'm pretty sure I said that was BS, also that it is not producing effective fighters.
Yet there are individual in the organisation that are effective, like Negato.
What I am trying to get you to move on to is that. Why are they effective?
As with the footage, again, BS, but, again, why are people like Negato effective??
EDIT: What are they doing different? What makes them special?
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Originally posted by OldShintaro View PostEveryone can't seem to let go of the BS 10 foot lunge punch. I'm pretty sure I said that was BS, also that it is not producing effective fighters.
Yet there are individual in the organisation that are effective, like Negato.
What I am trying to get you to move on to is that. Why are they effective?
As with the footage, again, BS, but, again, why are people like Negato effective??
EDIT: What are they doing different? What makes them special?
If you're talking about someone else then by all means post some footage.
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What if, Bujinkan was never meant to be a MA by itself but as a Add-on? Hence the missing basics like punching, kicking and throwing.
Post 1995, I have never personally seen any class practise any of those basics of kick, punch or throw.
EDIT: So there are new people trying to learn but cannot, because they do not know the basics.
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