What I hate about Bujinkan

[OldShintaro]

One does not need to have a degree in leprechaunology in order to disbelieve in Leprechauns

Aaahh the comedy relief from Tassie. That is about all they produce down there beside apples.

[BJMills]

You have had your opinion, and your opinion and just that. Your opinion.
Again, I personally would not comment on something I haven't done.

I am not disagreeing that 95% of the people that Bujinkan currently produce couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
What I am looking at is that 5%.
What are the factors that make them different?

Well, according to the people who have trained with the booj who chimed in on this thread that one is easy. They crossed trained and didn't use any taijutsu.

[Colin]

Aaahh the comedy relief from Tassie. That is about all they produce down there beside apples.

You're forgetting Scientific Research and Technology development, Art, The world's most advanced catamaran manufacturer, and large amounts of heavy metal music.

[simonifrius]

You have had your opinion, and your opinion and just that. Your opinion.
Again, I personally would not comment on something I haven't done.

I am not disagreeing that 95% of the people that Bujinkan currently produce couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.
What I am looking at is that 5%.
What are the factors that make them different?

This is ridiculous. You agree with what he's saying, so why are you being such a dickhead? You're not Bujinkan's mom; you don't need to tell him not to pick on it.

Then you ask him his opinion after telling him his opinion doesn't matter. When something is demonstrably true or false, one doesn't have to be in the demonstration to understand that it is true or false.

Besides, this isn't in the Japanese style forum; it's in the open forum. This nitpicking over who can have a valid opinion is annoying and doesn't apply here.

[OldShintaro]

So your being his mother. He is a big boy, he can speak for himself

[dougguod]

But how can anyone take you serious if you have never experienced it. And the only experience you have is watching some fool on Youtube.

What's your excuse for dismissing the people in this thread who have done, or are currently doing, bujinkan and are saying the same things BJMills is saying? Further, while first-hand experience is always the ideal, it isn't always necessary. A violinist can hear when a piano is out of tune. A French-trained chef can taste when an Italian dish is underseasoned. A Thai boxer (like BJMills) can see when a ninjer's strikes have no power and a wrestler (again, like BJMills) can see when a ninjer's takedowns are impractical.

[OldShintaro]

Where was I dismissing people currently doing or have done Bujinkan.

This is not a sensory ability but a physical one. It would be the same as watching a violinist and saying that they playing style was crap.
You are confusing your similes.

[Colin]

You were on the edge for a while, but it seems that by now you have truly jumped off, way the fuck into tin-foil hat territory.

[OldShintaro]

You were on the edge for a while, but it seems that by now you have truly jumped off, way the fuck into tin-foil hat territory.

At least I am not in two-headed country.

[BJMills]

I can, but his point is salinet. This is a website where evidence is king. There are also organized throwdowns where people claiming that their styles are effective can show up and prove it. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to circle jerk about BBT or anything else, go to Martial Talk or MAP.

But back to the evdience at hand, since evidence is all we have to go by...

There's lots and lots of BBT stuff out there and none of it is good.

You started the thread with the argument that the BBT had somehow gone downhill, implying that at one time it was a legitimate source of knowledge for hand to hand combat. I posted videos of both the founder and his teacher demonstrating absolute crap to illustrate that in fact if you go back ot the source it has always been crap, but you never really addressed that, only my lack of direct training in BBT.

I've seen vidoes. I've seen classes (both BBT and Genbukan), I've known people who have studied at one or the other and more to the point there are plenty of people on this site who studied in Japan and say it is bullshit. So do I need to go take classes where I stand across from someone, lunge punch, and hold it in place so they can put me in a lock and have me throw myself? Because I really don't feel like wasting my fucking time. And you attitude is, despite all evidence to the contrary, no one can have an informed opinion on something unless they waste copious amounts of time on it.

You attitude is frankly the exact kind of bullshit this website was created to address.

You want effective BBT? Since it seems to not be everything that they do why don't you go ahead and define what it is.

If it's not the stuff that Hatsumi and Takamatsu are doing then what exactly is it? And if it is the stuff that somehow works, why don't you address the footage and make an attempt to rationalize how in the hell some bullshit like that would actually work.

Right now you're just talking shit, without evidence, and backing it up with an "I know better than you" attitude because you wasted your time with something that you have admitted to wasting your time with.

[OldShintaro]

Everyone can't seem to let go of the BS 10 foot lunge punch. I'm pretty sure I said that was BS, also that it is not producing effective fighters.

Yet there are individual in the organisation that are effective, like Negato.
What I am trying to get you to move on to is that. Why are they effective?

As with the footage, again, BS, but, again, why are people like Negato effective??
EDIT: What are they doing different? What makes them special?

[BJMills]

Everyone can't seem to let go of the BS 10 foot lunge punch. I'm pretty sure I said that was BS, also that it is not producing effective fighters.

Yet there are individual in the organisation that are effective, like Negato.
What I am trying to get you to move on to is that. Why are they effective?

As with the footage, again, BS, but, again, why are people like Negato effective??
EDIT: What are they doing different? What makes them special?

To re-answer your question, cross train in other styles and use said other styles. At least Jim Jude already pointed this out in Negato's case.

If you're talking about someone else then by all means post some footage.

[Colin]

At least I am not in two-headed country.

That's really the best you can come up with?
..And you called me backward.

[OldShintaro]

That's really the best you can come up with?
..And you called me backward.

Well you did say that you were in the 1980's so I thought an old saying might be appropriate.

[OldShintaro]

What if, Bujinkan was never meant to be a MA by itself but as a Add-on? Hence the missing basics like punching, kicking and throwing.
Post 1995, I have never personally seen any class practise any of those basics of kick, punch or throw.

EDIT: So there are new people trying to learn but cannot, because they do not know the basics.