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    Hello everyone, I have very little martial arts experience, but I humbly request your advice on my MA desires.

    Can I honestly achieve my desired goals by getting blackbelts in KM and HKD. I know this all depends on the instructor, and each dojo is different. But let's assume the future instructors I find in these styles are excellent.

    My martial arts goals are this: To be able to defend myself from untrained attackers who may or may not be stronger than me. I really don't have the desire to compete in MA/mma tournaments. I also want to learn the fancy hip throws and joint locks to teach men about life concepts. For example: (from my small jiujitsu experience) One has to lower himself/bend his knees to successfully execute hip throws. So one can use this as an analogy to say: a possible tactic of dealing with ones enemy is humility. I know that the fancy locks and throws would be hard to use in a real life situation. I would make this fact very clear to my students. Hence why I would have the KM to supplement for street defense. Now I believe studying a striking art and a wrestling art would have the most effecient way to learn self defense, because the aliveness training in these arts is excellent. (Again under the assumption that the instructors are good) But my desire is to invest a lot of time in HKD in order to teach and have discussions about life one day. So my quesstion is: If my goal is just basic self defense against average bigger drunk guy, would I be rediculous to study KM and HKD for a long time (say five years for both?) Or am I just fooling myself, and just study the striking art and the wrestling art. I sincerely welcom your thoughts.


    btw I did go to police academy so I have that training too.

    #2
    You are just fooling yourself altogether.

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      #3
      Have you started you're FTO program yet? You'll find that a bunch of the stuff you learn in the academy won't work very well, if at all against a drunk, or drugged out, non-compliant offender. I admit though, I was in the academy in 95. I have no idea what they teach now.

      Go get a degree in philosophy, and talk about life with whomever you wish to include future students. While you're in school, enroll in the boxing, and judo programs for free (or so I've heard) for enrolled students.

      Then round it out with bjj (gi and no gi). Not sure 'bout bjj classes in college though. You probably will have to pay for that one.

      Even better... major in business, and minor in philosophy. Sounds like you want to run your own school/gym anyway.
      Last edited by Grey184; 11/24/2011 12:38am, .

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        #4
        The Greek philosopher referred to in English as “Plato” got his nickname, , from his wrestling coach. Clearly it stuck, and apparently a philosopher (still cited after 2400 years) can’t go wrong with wrestling. If you feel absolutely compelled to center your martial arts on silly platitudes, consider that shooting for a double entails briefly kneeling before your opponent. Maybe you can turn the singlet into some inane remark about simplicity.

        Bonus: Wrestlers (like judoka, BJJ-ers, boxers, kickboxers, &c. &c.) practice with aliveness, against resisting opponents, and so learn to actually execute their techniques.
        [ petterhaggholm.net | blog | essays ]
        [ self defence: general thoughts | anecdote is anecdotes, not data

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          #5
          Originally posted by doofaloofa
          KM has belts?
          Why not? It’s the Systema guys who are too fat for belts and must resort to suspenders, isn’t it?
          [ petterhaggholm.net | blog | essays ]
          [ self defence: general thoughts | anecdote is anecdotes, not data

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            #6
            Originally posted by Grey184 View Post
            While you're in school, enroll in the boxing, and judo programs for free (or so I've heard) for enrolled students.
            ^^^
            THIS

            Or just taser them.



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              #7
              "Don't tase me bro"!

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                #8
                I can't believe you dropped the tranny bomb. Now i have to go and burn my eyes out.
                Train hard, fight easy.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by doofaloofa
                  KM has belts?
                  The krav? Some schools have them, others dont.

                  @Petter: KM is alive. Wrestling is awesome though.

                  @Wadenus: Dont know much about HKD but KM is good for self-defense. It would certrainly supplement your police training well.

                  Try both and see if they suit you.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by doofaloofa
                    Just wait for the Transvestite clown pic!
                    Is that a Thai clownvestite?
                    Train hard, fight easy.

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                      #11
                      You called my bluff! (curses)



                      The best I could do.
                      I have seen this show whilst on holidays in Phuket. It was AWSOME!!!

                      They hade about 12 real, full grow elephants on stage, a tropical rainstorm...like real water, flying water nymphs and several full scale battles! EPIC!

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                        #12
                        One of the full scale battle elephant places I went to as a child (just North of Bangkok) ended up having one go batshit and killing a bunch of people (years after I went there).

                        A tranny and ping pong show (two shows, one stage) permanently scarred some of my coworkers last weekend for life.

                        Yeah, not the greatest experiences with those... (I loved the battle scene as a kid)

                        On Topic: You haven't even started learning and you're thinking about teaching? To that I say: "All his life he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was." Focus on training that satisfies you now, not on the potential of being a sage in a BB somewhere down the line.

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                          #13
                          Yeah, it was in the news, but apparently one of the elephants was jittery after the cannons when off (yeah, this show had muthafuckin cannons) and when a lady tossed bananas at it's face (presumably to feed it?) it went nuts and headbutted her to death plus stomped on a whole lot of other shit. Freaks me out because it says she was one of the biggest and I was riding on some pretty big fuckers when I went (I was 11ish). This went down a while ago (maybe 3-4 years after I'd gone maybe?) but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

                          Elephants are treated like shit around here. There's one notorious guy in city who drags with poor baby elephant through the streets lit up with leds (car battery on the fucking thing) and you pay to feed it (It's always starving, everyone knows it's fed like shit normally). Even worse shit on Samui and the tourist-y sections here. Makes me sad, they're so noble.

                          Also: Sorry for off topic comments, but elephants are fucking cool. (Way cooler than manly-ladyboys)

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by wadenus View Post
                            Hello everyone, I have very little martial arts experience, but I humbly request your advice on my MA desires.

                            Can I honestly achieve my desired goals by getting blackbelts in KM and HKD. I know this all depends on the instructor, and each dojo is different. But let's assume the future instructors I find in these styles are excellent.

                            My martial arts goals are this: To be able to defend myself from untrained attackers who may or may not be stronger than me. I really don't have the desire to compete in MA/mma tournaments. I also want to learn the fancy hip throws and joint locks to teach men about life concepts. For example: (from my small jiujitsu experience) One has to lower himself/bend his knees to successfully execute hip throws. So one can use this as an analogy to say: a possible tactic of dealing with ones enemy is humility. I know that the fancy locks and throws would be hard to use in a real life situation. I would make this fact very clear to my students. Hence why I would have the KM to supplement for street defense. Now I believe studying a striking art and a wrestling art would have the most effecient way to learn self defense, because the aliveness training in these arts is excellent. (Again under the assumption that the instructors are good) But my desire is to invest a lot of time in HKD in order to teach and have discussions about life one day. So my quesstion is: If my goal is just basic self defense against average bigger drunk guy, would I be rediculous to study KM and HKD for a long time (say five years for both?) Or am I just fooling myself, and just study the striking art and the wrestling art. I sincerely welcom your thoughts.


                            btw I did go to police academy so I have that training too.

                            First of all get that belt crap out of your head. A well rounded fighter has to have a ground game (Wrestling, Sambo, BJJ, MMA, Judo) and good stand up (Boxing, KK, MT, MMA). Any combination of those two will serve you well. It's best to start from the ground up as the learning curve is longer for grappling and since most people on the street are weak there it can be a great place to take a fight and end it. I'd stay away from HKD (studied it myself in Korea up to red belt) because a lot of it is just Aikidoish complacent low percentage wrist flippy BS with low grade TKDish striking. You didn't learn anything useful in the academy, get on the mats. Good luck, be safe.
                            Last edited by Vorpal; 11/24/2011 12:31pm, . Reason: retarded spelling

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                              #15
                              The KM black belt test, at least in my organization, requires that you go through multiple rounds of full contact fighting at all ranges with a resisting opponent. You might not /win/ per se, but you do have to look at least like you have a mediocre level of competency in hand to hand fighting.

                              Also, you don't get arbitrarily invited to take the black belt test in most KM orgs. You have to be somewhat accomplished as a martial artist.

                              tl;dr: Take Vorpal's advice.

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