Beat this donkey to death.

[judoka_uk]

I suspect the opposite, that you're actually too young (and possibly too middle class) to know what they are. These were normal foods in lower-middle and working class homes in the 70s and 80s. Perhaps they still are in Scotland and the North.

I was born in the mid-70s.

[The Juggernoob]

Lots of lonely old men.

[judoka_uk]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm seeing a pattern that isn't there, but people born after about 1985 seem to be a bit taller on average than people my age or older. I half-suspect it's because they had better childhood nutrition than previous generations.

Deeply unscientific survey, but last time I went back to my old school to hear Boris Johnson give a speech there, I was conspicuously taller than most people around me.

I was born in 1989 and am 6ft and I guess the median age in the audience to be about 60-65.

I was quite conscious of how I was looking out over a sea of the tops people's heads and felt somewhat exposed, which I have never experienced when standing in a similar sized group of people my age.

[Cullion]

The name 'Fray Bentos' was vaguely familiar, but if you had put me on the spot and asked me, before I had googled, it my best guess would have been some sort of chavvy spanish holiday resort.

They aren't any worse than a cheap pub pie, and they're canned so you can take them camping etc..

They're not the kind of thing I'd want as a regular part of my kids' diet though.

[The Juggernoob]

Old people do stoop over. I must admit I see this too. Out of my lot (friends since 3 in some cases, 11 in others), Im joint shortest at 6"0.

[Cullion]

Deeply unscientific survey, but last time I went back to my old school to hear Boris Johnson give a speech there, I was conspicuously taller than most people around me.

I was born in 1989 and am 6ft and I guess the median age in the audience to be about 60-65.

I was quite conscious of how I was looking out over a sea of the tops people's heads and felt somewhat exposed, which I have never experienced when standing in a similar sized group of people my age.

I get the reverse. I'm 5'9, which used to be a fraction taller than the British average, but I always feel short if the group I'm in is made up of Americans or people under 30.

I think some of the things we were fed at school and at home in the 70s and 80s would give Jamie Oliver a fit.

[judoka_uk]

Lots of lonely old men.

And old women/ old couples.

My grandmother is in her seventies and resolutely refuses to engage with any foodstuff that isn't solidly identifiable as English - won't truck pizza, curry, noddles, rice, stir fry etc...

And as most people that age probably have difficulties going through the rigmarole of cooking a meat and two veg meal for themselves, then the ready meal option is probably the best alternative.

[The Juggernoob]

I get the reverse. I'm 5'9, which used to be a fraction taller than the British average, but I always feel short if the group I'm in is made up of Americans or people under 30.

Are the Americans lying down?

[Yoj]

Its a well know fact people are getting taller, its happening in the far/south east too.

Whats weird though is that historically people would eat the highest nutrient food out of necessity, because it was a survival requirement, look at post WW2 diet and the governments push towards high fat food etc.. Folks these days would turn their noses up at it, unless you can package, brand, and advertise it well on TV, then it becomes trendy.

[The Juggernoob]

Its a well know fact people are getting taller, its happening in the far/south east too.

Whats weird though is that historically people would eat the highest nutrient food out of necessity, because it was a survival requirement, look at post WW2 diet and the governments push towards high fat food etc.. Folks these days would turn their noses up at it, unless you can package, brand, and advertise it well on TV, then it becomes trendy.

If you look at British under 18 year olds, Im convincing the males are all becoming more feminine and feeble looking. Maybe as a result of weedy girl diets and snack size parenting?

In all seriousness has no one else noticed this. What the fuck is wrong with them?

[Cullion]

If you look at British under 18 year olds, Im convincing the males are all becoming more feminine and feeble looking. Maybe as a result of weedy girl diets and snack size parenting?

In all seriousness has no one else noticed this. What the fuck is wrong with them?

I'm a tubby 36 year old, but I have had the experience of joining in a Muay Thai beginners class full of lean late teens/early 20-somethings and finding that I could outlast most of them when it came to pressups, burpees and situps.

A few people my age I've talked to about this (including a couple of people in the military who reported the same stuff about young recruits) say it's because many of this generation spent too much of their childhood playing on computers instead of falling out of trees outside.

There's also the increasing concentration of birth control pill hormones in our drinking water.

But on the other hand, old men have always grumbled about the next generation.

[judoka_uk]

I get the reverse. I'm 5'9, which used to be a fraction taller than the British average, but I always feel short if the group I'm in is made up of Americans or people under 30.

I think some of the things we were fed at school and at home in the 70s and 80s would give Jamie Oliver a fit.

The biggest international height difference I've noticed is in Germany, standing in a German Gymnasium and realising that at 6ft you're actually short is quite shocking. They're all fucking massive 6ft 2 seems to be the minimum height allowed and even the girls are tall.

Gymnasiums tend to be more middle class and so likely better fed during childbirth etc... but even still the Germans towered over us British middle class kids.

Whats weird though is that historically people would eat the highest nutrient food out of necessity, because it was a survival requirement, look at post WW2 diet and the governments push towards high fat food etc.. Folks these days would turn their noses up at it, unless you can package, brand, and advertise it well on TV, then it becomes trendy.

Well yes, because a lot of jobs and lifestyles nowadays aren't burning off those nutrients. Big difference between working in a field or coal mine and manning the desk in an IT job or bashing phones in a call centre.

[judoka_uk]

If you look at British under 18 year olds, Im convincing the males are all becoming more feminine and feeble looking. Maybe as a result of weedy girl diets and snack size parenting?

In all seriousness has no one else noticed this. What the fuck is wrong with them?

Since the dawn of time the extant generations have complained about the up and coming ones.

My favourite example is the rural German doctor from the 1940s expressing surprise that 15/16 year old girls routinely carried condoms in their handbags to a party official during one of their surveys on deviance and youth sexual behaviour.

Open the Daily Mail today and a similar report from a GP would elicit a similar horrified response from the readership and general public.

Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis;
Quo modo? fit semper tempore pejor homo...

[Yoj]

Lol, a Finnish guy I've trained with to me, at 5'11, is a massive fucking viking, he must be about 6'3 or so, he tried to join the Finnish police, but was too short!

When I was a teen I was hitting weights and keeping fit and it was a pretty big thing for me, to be honest, as a pretty geeky type, if I was a teen now, I don't think I'd be doing that, I suspect I'd be spending all my time playing on computers, er, like i am now....

[The Juggernoob]

Since the dawn of time the extant generations have complained about the up and coming ones.

My favourite example is the rural German doctor from the 1940s expressing surprise that 15/16 year old girls routinely carried condoms in their handbags to a party official during one of their surveys on deviance and youth sexual behaviour.

Open the Daily Mail today and a similar report from a GP would elicit a similar horrified response from the readership and general public.

Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis;
Quo modo? fit semper tempore pejor homo...

I commonly cant distinguish gender in couples from behind. Im not just talking about skinny long haired dudes here. Im talking about a feminine frame, like their bone structure is off.

Surely striving to attain that look is against the very fabric of masculinity.