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    The Lethality of Combatives

    Hi All,

    I have studied American Kenpo for a long time, mixing in some Ju-Jitsu here and there to be a little more well rounded. I was curious about the self defense style of Combatives and how lethal it really is. I was looking into several instructors from Kelly McCann to Hock Hochaim to Micaheal Janich to Damian Ross, but I am still unsure about how effective it really is.

    I was wondering, before I spend the money on any one particular instructor or course, can someone who may have trained in the Combatives arts now or in the past, point me in the right direction as to whom would be the most realistic for street self defense. Thanks.

    #2
    First of all dont fall for marketing schemes. You wont become uber deadly from watching a tape. Honestly the best advice anyone can give you is look at the schools around you and try to find someplace that trains with aliveness.

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      #3
      Originally posted by crackhead View Post
      First of all dont fall for marketing schemes. You wont become uber deadly from watching a tape. Honestly the best advice anyone can give you is look at the schools around you and try to find someplace that trains with aliveness.

      That's the thing. There are no combatives schools by me. I have your standard, run of the mill Kung Fu, Shotokan, Ju-Jitsu, Shorin-Ryu, Kenpo, and Tae Kwon Do schools by me. I don't mind traveling a little if I have to though.

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        #4
        Just remember to KISS. When you see combatives stuff thats full of techniques that rely on expert timing, fine motor coordination and advanced skill...its probably not gonna work for you or anyone else. If on the other hand, you see things that apply gross motor skills, big movements and can be learned with minimum drilling, you're on the right track. The more slappy and dancy you get, the les it works.

        The best approach I've seen is http://dogbrothers.com/?cat=19 <--- here.

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          #5
          The real question is what good does it do you? Even it these systems were a lethal as advertised what are you going to do with it? Be the Lethal king of the suburbs?
          People who go for these types of things are usually ones that have absolutely no need for it.
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          RIP SOLDIER

          Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
          -Gene, GODHAND

          You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
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            #6
            Originally posted by Gezere View Post
            The real question is what good does it do you? Even it these systems were a lethal as advertised what are you going to do with it? Be the Lethal king of the suburbs?
            People who go for these types of things are usually ones that have absolutely no need for it.

            LMAO, lethal king of the suburbs. I never thought of it like that!! Very true and I see your point. I was just always interested in it and I wanted to learn it.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Gezere View Post
              The real question is what good does it do you? Even it these systems were a lethal as advertised what are you going to do with it? Be the Lethal king of the suburbs?
              People who go for these types of things are usually ones that have absolutely no need for it.
              I am already King

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                #8
                Originally posted by Bulldog1 View Post
                LMAO, lethal king of the suburbs. I never thought of it like that!! Very true and I see your point. I was just always interested in it and I wanted to learn it.
                Why waster your time with lethal combatives when you can put into something that might actually be useful?

                Originally posted by Ke?poFist View Post
                I am already King
                Only because I don't live in the suburbs.
                ______
                Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invincible Asia) Dark Emperor of Baji!!!

                RIP SOLDIER

                Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
                -Gene, GODHAND

                You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
                The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
                -Daniel Tosh

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gezere View Post
                  Why waster your time with lethal combatives when you can put into something that might actually be useful?


                  Only because I don't live in the suburbs.

                  What would you suggest that would be more useful? Remember, I don't have a ton of options around me, but I don't mind traveling a little bit.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gezere View Post
                    Why waster your time with lethal combatives when you can put into something that might actually be useful?

                    Like Judo or basket-weaving. That can be plenty lethal. But something tells me by your posts that you do not need a "lethal" style. You may need a shrink, but since I do not play one of TV, I cannot diagnose you.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ke?poFist View Post
                      I am already King

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                        #12
                        If you're really concerned about being lethal, carry a knife. Faster, easier, cheaper, and far more lethal than any hand-to-hand style.

                        I have to warn you that it's a really stupid idea to arbitrarily decide to use lethal force. After the shock, you're going to have to go through some serious psychological trauma... probably from the inside of a jail cell.

                        Take Judo or BJJ and forget about "lethal."

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bulldog1 View Post
                          What would you suggest that would be more useful? Remember, I don't have a ton of options around me, but I don't mind traveling a little bit.
                          My personal recommendations are Boxing, Judo, BJJ. So with that I would say the Ju Jitsu school but the problem is I don't know much about it. What kind of JJ is it?
                          ______
                          Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invincible Asia) Dark Emperor of Baji!!!

                          RIP SOLDIER

                          Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
                          -Gene, GODHAND

                          You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
                          The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
                          -Daniel Tosh

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gezere View Post
                            People who go for these types of things are usually ones that have absolutely no need for it.
                            Nail head....meet hammer...

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                              #15
                              Is there a GJJ (Gracie Jiu Jitsu) school nearby? I know some of the GJJ affiliates like Pedro Sauer GJJ have a more self defense/combatives focus in addition to all the regular BJJ ground fighting goodness.

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