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    Is his style a legitimate Shorin Ryu style? I am looking at Kenchin Kan and Matsumura Shorin Ryu...Any ideas? I know Kise is the Master for Kenchin Kan...Ideas?

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    Hello, I am a 46 yr old newbie to the martial arts world...Just trying to sort out what and where I want to study. It is hard to figure out what is B.S. and real out there. I live in the Alexandria, LA area and my options are extremely limited. If anyone knows any info about any of these schools, please give me a heads up.

    Rapides Karate: Dan Gilliland, Keichu Ryu, MMA
    PineForest Martial Arts: Mike Veillon, Shorin Ryu Kenchin Kan
    Karate Kicks: Clint Duplechin, Shorin Ryu, Nintai Do, BJJ, Aikido
    Bulls Gym: Kirk Bullock, Kechu Ryu and MMA

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      #3
      Ugh...I usually avoid anything with Keichu Ryu but I'm biased.

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        #4
        Why?

        BTW, Kirk Bullock says it is Keichu Ryu, but says it is modified quite a bit...Kirk was pretty big at one time as a kick boxer, at least that is what I heard.

        What about training a traditional art like Shorin Ryu and MMA at same time? I am in good shape for my age and like the workout of the MMA schools, but have zero desire (because I am old) of getting in an octagon. Do you think it would be ok to do both?

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          #5
          LOL......good shape for your age.

          Anyway do a search on Keichu Ryu on this site and it'll explain a lot. Shorin Ryu is a hit or miss, usually a miss, but it depends upon the instructor. Understand that MMA seems to be a power word for most traditional styles. They're not really teaching MMA. I teach kung-fu, SAMBO and kickboxing. I also coach mma? What's the difference? I've actually fought MMA, I have fighters and MMA, I have a cage, I know the rules, I actually do MMA. Most say "Well we do karate x with kickboxing. Those are two different arts we mix. Therefore we are doing MMA". Um, no.

          Bottom line it comes down to the instructor. You show us websites and instructor bios then we can recommend. Otherwise, do a class and do the one you enjoy the most.

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            #6
            Originally posted by mlgreen View Post
            Is his style a legitimate Shorin Ryu style? I am looking at Kenchin Kan and Matsumura Shorin Ryu...Any ideas? I know Kise is the Master for Kenchin Kan...Ideas?
            BTW, I moved this post here. Try to keep it all in the same area while you're slowly navigating the site. I'm usually the mean one on this site so I'm interpreting your actions as sincere. Do some leg work for us:
            1. Is there a website.
            2. There is a karate section here are you ready to post there for the Japanese stylist to look at?
            3. Is he that well known that we might know him.

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              #7
              http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ght=Keichu+Ryu

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                #8
                http://www.bullsgym-mma.com/index.html Kirk Bullock used to be a kickboxer...supposed to be a champion...Big in MMA
                http://karatekicksla.com/ Sensei is 7th Dan, They also have a 2nd Dan in Aikido teaching and a purple in Aikido

                http://www.shorinbujutsu.com/ Sensei is 4th Dan

                www.rapideskarate.com Sensei says they don't follow the Marx way...Also very big in MMA training

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                  #9
                  Hello,

                  I a familiar with all the names that you mentioned and honestly your best bet is Michael Vellion in pineville. He also has a Jiu Jitsu program taught by the only guy in cenla above a white belt ;-) There BJJ classes are Monday and Wednesday from 7-9. If you have no desire to fight in the cage then stay away from the gyms that offer MMA. The ego's and attitudes within local mma gyms usually suck!

                  Kirk Bullock was never a "Kick Boxer" he is a Point fighting karate tournament guy. He is an all around nice guy though and when I talked with him he told me this so he doesn't seem to claim to be something he isn't just the rumor mill.
                  Danny is a complete JOKE!!
                  Clint is a good guy and runs a legit school but has some questionable behavior (from what I hear.)

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                    #10
                    Thanks for all the advice...BTW, Clint has a purple belt teaching BJJ from Revolution out of Lafayette.

                    Does anyone have any opinion on training in a traditional martial art like Shorin Ryu and going to another gym for MMA training? I am torn...I like the fitness part of the MMA training and traditional weight and cardio training is boring for me...I have taken a few classes and really enjoy the MMA class. I seem to get a great all around workout without the boredom. I also really enjoy the traditional Karate training. Am I making a mistake doing both?

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                      #11
                      Jared (purple belt) teachs one night a week and the others white belts teach. Jared is not from this area either.

                      I doesn't hurt to do both however they are counter productive to each other.
                      I have nothing against MMA training if the school is legit.
                      The problem with MMA schools is there is no required belts, certificates, federations. Therefore you get alot of Mcdojo's that to someone who knows nothing they seem to be learning alot until they try to use that against guys who really understand what is going on. (Note: I am generally speaking and not directing that tward any one school.)
                      If you enjoy it do it but if your curious then shop around.

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                        #12
                        If you don't mind me asking: What parts of Karate training do you enjoy that you don't get out of the MMA school? This is a legit question not sarcasm or set-up for a tirade.

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                          Just so you fully understand Merv the local MMA gyms are nothing more than a group of guys who go in spar, roll around and never learn true technique. Sad that people are making money teaching others something they themselves learn from video's and watching UFC. The "instructors" at the local schools never spar or roll for fear of being obviously outted.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Merv! View Post
                            If you don't mind me asking: What parts of Karate training do you enjoy that you don't get out of the MMA school? This is a legit question not sarcasm or set-up for a tirade.
                            I actually like the discipline, tradition, and formality of the training.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by iceman82 View Post
                              Just so you fully understand Merv the local MMA gyms are nothing more than a group of guys who go in spar, roll around and never learn true technique. Sad that people are making money teaching others something they themselves learn from video's and watching UFC. The "instructors" at the local schools never spar or roll for fear of being obviously outted.
                              The reason I like the place I have trained, Bull's, is I feel like I am getting a great workout and also am learning some fighting skills. It has been good so far...However, I am not going to give up my traditional training because of it...

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