You guys are PU$$IE$

[syberia]

Somehow this thread has devolved into a "My pain is greater than yours"-contest. Since this is YMAS, it was to be expected. However, I fail to see the connection between having survived though shit on the one hand and looking down on people who haven't. Where does this outlandish idea come from that, somehow, pain is quantifiable?

Lol, I know what you mean. I'm studying to be a nurse, and we ask people to quantify thier pain all the time. On a scale of one to ten is a pretty innacurate reading, because everyone experiences it differently. But I don't think that's the case here.

Even with my limited experiences I've seen some people in serious pain. Going through the worst times of thier life. Patients and families dealing with things that I couldn't imagine.
So, when people tell me that thier shoulder is killing them I can't help but think 'you're still talking, walking and breathing normally, it can't be that bad'. Why? Not because I look down on them, at all, pain is pain and shouldn't be ignored. But because I have a different perspective of other people in pain.

When comparing people, damn right that some people handle themselves better than others. Some people do extraordinary things in comparison to me. In comparison to others I probably do some cool shit. Personally, I like wake up calls like this.
Because the person I make the most excuses to is myself.



*Edit, dammit, boby. Got in while I was checking my spelling.

[Omega Supreme]

You close the thread then open it, and threaten me for posting on a forum???

I didn't close the thread numbnuts.

Then you grab what I tell you in a pm, where I try to have a civil discussion with you and you put it here?

Fuck you. You cross the line and you come crying.

Lmao I could care less anymore. Close the thread if you like, call me a pussy all you like. I have no issues with anyone so I'm not going to get into a street fight with anyone.

Good, enjoy your ban. I told you not to send me a PM. I erased it before reading it. You can come back in 7 days. Maybe if you grow a pair you'll stop you shit posturing and meet me face to face.

You don't like my jokes about cancer, tough shit.

No, because it wasn't a joke. When it was poorly delivered you didn't bother to apologized. You think because you have cancer it makes you fucking special? I've lost some very special people to cancer. I'm watching the health of two of my mentors fight with cancer. My mom went years fighting her cancer.

You're a craving piece of shit.

[Omega Supreme]

I think the point was more, look what these people got through, and still train..don't bitch about it's hard to train.
I don't think the thread devolved...in fact, I think it's recovered nicely from the insensitivity derail. I'm glad this shit got unlocked.

I doubt it's so much about looking down on people who haven't suffered enough. More likely not wanting to hear the entitlement of the relatively comfortable. I can relate.

Within my profession, I don't like to hear bitching about 'my fingers hurt' or whining about carrying gear, or sleep logistics. I learned on a warped 18 fret acoustic, lived in a rehearsal building, duct taped guitars, used belts as guitar straps, and have been through relative hell to play music as much as I do, and make the shows happen. I don't resent artists who haven't suffered, or faced some adversity, but I resent hearing about their petty grievances, as though they're heavy. Get over it, and persevere...or STFU and quit.

ex: (then I'll stop). Yes guitar amps are heavy random entitled gig-fodder, but I took a 150 lb PA setup on the commuter rail to R.I. carried half a mile from Providence station to the venue, played a 3.5 hour show, dragged it back to the station, sat guarding it until the trains started up again, and took it via train/subway home to Boston. Round trip - 12 hours. Pay - $80 minus expeses, so you will do whatever it takes to make your show-up-and-improv $50+.

I know three blind street musicians, and even a guy with no legs who gets out to the sub to play. I don't want to hear it from some no0b over aching fingertips...or wrist fatigue (insert joke).
Sorry for the sorta-music-derail, but I imagine the OP was feeling the martial version of what I experience in my field of non-suck (all clumsy, no ninja).

Bingo.

[Matt Phillips]

I think the point was more, look what these people got through, and still train..don't bitch about it's hard to train.
I don't think the thread devolved...in fact, I think it's recovered nicely from the insensitivity derail. I'm glad this shit got unlocked.

I doubt it's so much about looking down on people who haven't suffered enough. More likely not wanting to hear the entitlement of the relatively comfortable. I can relate.

Within my profession, I don't like to hear bitching about 'my fingers hurt' or whining about carrying gear, or sleep logistics. I learned on a warped 18 fret acoustic, lived in a rehearsal building, duct taped guitars, used belts as guitar straps, and have been through relative hell to play music as much as I do, and make the shows happen. I don't resent artists who haven't suffered, or faced some adversity, but I resent hearing about their petty grievances, as though they're heavy. Get over it, and persevere...or STFU and quit.

ex: (then I'll stop). Yes guitar amps are heavy random entitled gig-fodder, but I took a 150 lb PA setup on the commuter rail to R.I. carried half a mile from Providence station to the venue, played a 3.5 hour show, dragged it back to the station, sat guarding it until the trains started up again, and took it via train/subway home to Boston. Round trip - 12 hours. Pay - $80 minus expeses, so you will do whatever it takes to make your show-up-and-improv $50+.

I know three blind street musicians, and even a guy with no legs who gets out to the sub to play. I don't want to hear it from some no0b over aching fingertips...or wrist fatigue (insert joke).
Sorry for the sorta-music-derail, but I imagine the OP was feeling the martial version of what I experience in my field of non-suck (all clumsy, no ninja).

I think the point is not that people shouldn't be allowed a little theraputic kvetching, but that you shouldn't make excuses for failure to move towards your self-stated goals. Your back hurst? I'm sure it does; I'm sure your pain is real. Just remember that for every problem in life, there's someone else with the same shit (or worse) who is not letting it stop them.

@bobby I too have humped more gear than broads ;) SVT + Hammond B3 = gearhead powerlifting

[Vorpal]

We lost a guy from my JJJ dojo two years ago to cancer, he kept coming to class through at least two rounds of chemo. When he missed three classes in a row I knew he wasn't coming back. I think the mindset of someone battling something like that is intangibly different than the mindset of a healthy person. When I finish a day of work driving out of my way on my way home to stop at the dojo for two hours can seem like a chore. To someone who is battling for their life it is a priviledge.

PS- Don't crack on people's mommas. That will get your glasses turned into contacts on either coast.

[TaeBo_Master]

In the spirit of this thread, I offer a ubiquitous mega-varrot to all those who have lost loved ones to cancer, cancer survivors, and those suffering with cancer; especially if they are training, working, or otherwise actively fighting it.

[Ketsueki]

I feel a little better about the huge gulf by which Omega > Ket, knowing that apparently there's a badass gene which is hereditary. All I got from my mother's side was babyface and thinning hair.

[LiamSP]

Ok, I have laughed at some offensive shit. But, I have never heard a funny cancer joke. Ever.

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer, too bad he never cries.

[100xobm]

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer, too bad he never cries.

If you're going to try to make cancer funny, maybe don't use a shitty chuck norris joke.

Your appearance on the internet is comical to me.

[Grey Owl]

I didn't close the thread numbnuts.

Fuck you. You cross the line and you come crying.
Good, enjoy your ban. I told you not to send me a PM. I erased it before reading it. You can come back in 7 days. Maybe if you grow a pair you'll stop you shit posturing and meet me face to face.

No, because it wasn't a joke. When it was poorly delivered you didn't bother to apologized. You think because you have cancer it makes you fucking special? I've lost some very special people to cancer. I'm watching the health of two of my mentors fight with cancer. My mom went years fighting her cancer.

You're a craving piece of shit.

But how exactly will beating someone up resolve this? Will it make any of these people you speak of proud? Will it help them feel better? Will it do anything other than provide you with an outlet for pent up frustration and anger?

When my mother was diagnosed I tore the place up and smashed a few things. I felt a little better in the short term but it did fuck all for her.

[cufaol]

But how exactly will beating someone up resolve this? Will it make any of these people you speak of proud? Will it help them feel better? Will it do anything other than provide you with an outlet for pent up frustration and anger?

When my mother was diagnosed I tore the place up and smashed a few things. I felt a little better in the short term but it did fuck all for her.

^this


@ Omega: Fact is that a lot of people here lost relatives and friends to a lot of different causes, including cancer. I understand your need to ventilate man. I really do. Also, other people's fight against things like cancer is inspiring to me too. I understand that what you meant is something along the lines of: nobody here should whine about little misfortunes because other people are having it worse. Agreed.

Just one thing: a couple of weeks ago, I fell down a 20-30 meter avalanche slope with frozen rocks and ridges. It was basically a fuckin cliff, that's how steep it was.

I climbed back up. While wearing fuckin' skiboots, while my right wrist was fuckin' broken in 3 places. Also,I had a concussion and i couldn't see through my left eye because of all the blood from my face, which was burned like a steak on a BBQ.

When I finally made it back from that cliff side, I put my ski's back on and skied down the rest of the slope, trying not to faint. Then I managed to walk from the bottom of the slope to the rescue helicopter.

Does that sound like pussy behaviour to you?

[twisted mind]

^this


@ Omega: Fact is that a lot of people here lost relatives and friends to a lot of different causes, including cancer. I understand your need to ventilate man. I really do. Also, other people's fight against things like cancer is inspiring to me too. I understand that what you meant is something along the lines of: nobody here should whine about little misfortunes because other people are having it worse. Agreed.

Just one thing: a couple of weeks ago, I fell down a 20-30 meter avalanche slope with frozen rocks and ridges. It was basically a fuckin cliff, that's how steep it was.

I climbed back up. While wearing fuckin' skiboots, while my right wrist was fuckin' broken in 3 places. Also,I had a concussion and i couldn't see through my left eye because of all the blood from my face, which was burned like a steak on a BBQ.

When I finally made it back from that cliff side, I put my ski's back on and skied down the rest of the slope, trying not to faint. Then I managed to walk from the bottom of the slope to the rescue helicopter.

Does that sound like pussy behaviour to you?

If you did all that while dressed like this..............

then, I would call that one of the manliest things ever.

[twisted mind]

@Omega.
I just wanted to add, I understand that each person processes his/her emotions differently from one another, so no one can truly understand what it is that you have gone through even if others have had similar experiences.

I lost my father (my hero) to cancer in August of 2007 and I wouldn't wish the pain of that experience on my worst enemy. I understand that we joke around about nearly everything on this forum and I have accepted that, even when I found the topic to be offensive. Cancer, to me, is a topic that is very personal in nature, so I would ask those in this thread to be coniderate of others.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, my friend.

[Ignorami]

Lance Armstrong's very existence should be an example to everyone.

Anyone who moans and skips training because of a "tiring day at work", or because their "finger hurts", should be forced to watch his scene at the end of Dodgeball, while everyone else in class boos and spits at them.

We've lost two members to Leukemia over the years, and we have a guy in our class now with prostate cancer. He's caught it very late, and the outlook is bleak. He attends every class he physically can, and sees training as a privilege. He was suffering pain yesterday he described as the same level as bad toothache, but still drove 20 miles to come and watch.

No-one in the class knows about his condition, but it's fucking embarrassing when people moan or skip because they got invited to a BBQ.

Its certainly given me a kick up the arse of late.

[cufaol]

then, I would call that one of the manliest things ever.

Unfortunately, I was fully dressed. On the other hand, Being naked would have killed me... That's quite a dilemma.