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    #16
    it's much easier to break a joint when you've controlled the body first. position before submission. loose limbs are difficult to break.

    to just grab a limb and crank it, you're more likely to cause an injury which will only become apparent once your opponent has cooled down after the fight.

    if you want to destroy a limb, it's much better to get good control and bend it greater than 90 degrees the wrong way. there's an aoki example of this too:

    http://youtu.be/ZpYV4ZQYKy8

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      #17
      Originally posted by WhiteShark View Post
      Ask Rousimar Palhares about "instant" joint breaks. They seem to work for him.
      I don't even like watching him fight. I'm cringing the entire time thinking "watch out for your leg..."
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        #18
        Dave Camerillo. Shinya Aoki would disagree. I have DISLOCATED a couple myself and actually broke a bone another time. You don't break a joint you dislocate it.
        Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.

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          #19
          Should be pretty easy to define tie the bloke down to an instant break move and then discuss if that one is leagal and has any merit.

          For example can you ranger choke somone in UFC?
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            #20
            Interesting how, even with a broken arm, Aoki's opponent is not completely incapacitated.

            In this clip you can see how a guy with a broken arm is still able to give some game.



            So you can't count on a instant joint/bone break as a finishing technique in every case, especially if the opponent is not completely under control.

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              #21
              Originally posted by DCS View Post
              Interesting how, even with a broken arm, Aoki's opponent is not completely incapacitated.

              In this clip you can see how a guy with a broken arm is still able to give some game.



              So you can't count on a instant joint/bone break as a finishing technique in every case, especially if the opponent is not completely under control.
              As an example of that.
              http://mmafrenzy.com/13342/james-te-...igor-pokrajac/


              At about the 3 minute mark.
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                #22
                What is a "ranger choke", BTW?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by DCS View Post
                  What is a "ranger choke", BTW?
                  It is a RBSD move. It is a standing sleeper hold where you sprawl backwards on to the ground aplying a neck crank.

                  I was just the nastyest and probably the most likley move I could think of at the time.
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                    #24
                    I could only find one "ranger choke" video. If this is what it is...



                    Well, I hope it's not.
                    Last edited by tao.jonez; 4/20/2011 8:27am, . Reason: can't embed video
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by gregaquaman View Post
                      It is a RBSD move. It is a standing sleeper hold where you sprawl backwards on to the ground aplying a neck crank.

                      I was just the nastyest and probably the most likley move I could think of at the time.
                      Something like Mifune's hadaka jime (43:47) but with more sprawl?

                      http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8601525244862#

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Coach Josh View Post
                        Dave Camerillo. Shinya Aoki would disagree. I have DISLOCATED a couple myself and actually broke a bone another time. You don't break a joint you dislocate it.
                        when i say break, i mean dislocation and tearing ligaments. destroying the joint. i'm pretty sure that hironaka needed surgery on his elbow and didn't fight for another year after that, but i'm just going from memory.

                        i'm not saying it isn't possible to dislocate or otherwise damage a joint without gaining a dominant position, it's just a lot harder.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by DCS View Post
                          Something like Mifune's hadaka jime (43:47) but with more sprawl?

                          http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8601525244862#

                          Precisly.
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by DCS View Post
                            Interesting how, even with a broken arm, Aoki's opponent is not completely incapacitated.

                            In this clip you can see how a guy with a broken arm is still able to give some game.

                            So you can't count on a instant joint/bone break as a finishing technique in every case, especially if the opponent is not completely under control.
                            yeah, plenty of examples of people fighting on with "broken" joints (or however you'd like to describe it). but you're now fighting someone with a significant injury.

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                              #29
                              Of course, but I'm trying to point that even an opponent seriously injured can be still a threat. IMO one must not assume a fight is finished because the opponent is injured. A fight ends when the opponent is not able to continue fighting.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
                                Sadly, technically, irregardless is a word, according to major dictionaries. Everything about your premise is absolutely correct. Its existence comes from a misappropriation of an unnecessary prefix, and its being confused for the more precise "irrespective". Furthermore, using the word "irregardless" makes one sound like an idiot, and serves to instantly prove you a moron to anyone with even a shred of a brain. It's adoption into the lexicon is in every way a concession to ignorance which I find absolutely deplorable. But, technically, it is a word.
                                Its not in the OED, I checked, therefore its not a word. I don't care what colonial dictionaries have to say on the subject.

                                :sadmelvin:
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