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How we can save Aikido: An honest opinion.

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    #31
    Didn't fully appreciate this was YMAS, and have inadevertantly posted 100% serious responses. Sadly, I fear my future responses will be similarly sincere

    As such, here is an amusing picture of a blender bicycle to make up for it before I go to bed.



    That's right, its a blender AND a bicycle.
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    "To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti

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      #32
      Originally posted by Colin View Post
      At which point did I imply that Aikido was needed?
      In the thread title and in the OP maybe?

      Do you feel so threatened by the idea that there are entirely combat ineffective Aikidoka out there that could probably survive falling off the back of a truck better than your average kickboxer? I doubt it.
      Ideas are not things I usally feel threatening.

      Therefore why would you be adverse to the idea that time is spent in MMA on breakfalling? I think there are definitely people out there training JJ and MT, but spending little time on breakfalling. It is primarily this kind of person that I think could benefit from an hour a week of breakfalling practice.
      I find 1 hour a week of breakfalling practise excessive. The niche you are targetting would be better served with 1 hour of judo practise under competent instruction. Uchikomi: ten reps, the last throwing uke, rinse and repeat. Last 15 min of randori. Shower and beers. See you next week.

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        #33
        Originally posted by DCS View Post
        Ideas are not things I usally feel threatening.
        So clearly, we agree about that.


        Originally posted by DCS View Post
        I find 1 hour a week of breakfalling practise excessive. The niche you are targetting would be better served with 1 hour of judo practise under competent instruction. Uchikomi: ten reps, the last throwing uke, rinse and repeat. Last 15 min of randori. Shower and beers. See you next week.
        Well, I'm never going to suggest that Ukemi alone is comparably effective to Judo training, I just think that there's a financial opportunity for Aikido masters to become safety experts :)
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          #34
          The answer, as usual, is DO JUDO.

          Ben
          Falling for Judo since 1980

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            #35
            Originally posted by BKR View Post
            The answer, as usual, is DO JUDO.

            Ben


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              #36
              Getting rid of all the softcocks who seem to infest Aikido dojos the world over.

              Introduce some kind of minimum sign up requirements like:
              Be able to do more than 20 press ups
              Be able to talk to a girl about something she actually wants to talk about
              Laugh at offensive jokes
              Be able to tell one good dirty joke
              Have at least 2 funny sex anecdotes
              Have at least 4 funny drunken antics anecdotes

              That would be a pretty good start.
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                #37
                Originally posted by Colin View Post
                Well, I'm never going to suggest that Ukemi alone is comparably effective to Judo training, I just think that there's a financial opportunity for Aikido masters to become safety experts :)
                Random non-fighting safety was something that I felt I got out of doing systema (probably the main thing, besides conditioning).

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                  #38
                  Perma,

                  Still with Sodeman?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by judoka_uk View Post
                    Have at least 2 funny sex anecdotes

                    Theres nothing funny about sex.


                    Unless you force her to dress as a clown!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by DCS View Post
                      Perma,

                      Still with Sodeman?
                      No, their schedule changed around so I decided to try out something else while still new. Since I started training with my current teacher I've been content to just go there. Jeff's classes were a lot of fun though,and very physically challenging. It was like a boot camp mixed with recess for adults.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by judoka_uk View Post
                        Getting rid of all the softcocks who seem to infest Aikido dojos the world over.

                        Introduce some kind of minimum sign up requirements like:
                        Be able to do more than 20 press ups
                        Be able to talk to a girl about something she actually wants to talk about
                        Laugh at offensive jokes
                        Be able to tell one good dirty joke
                        Have at least 2 funny sex anecdotes
                        Have at least 4 funny drunken antics anecdotes

                        That would be a pretty good start.
                        I know a fair number of BJJ players, and even some judoka, who wouldn't survive a roster cut based on that list, and you want to apply it to akido?

                        Just come out and say how you really feel, man, I'll start.

                        "What do you get when you have 50 akidoka at the bottom of the ocean?"
                        " A good start."

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                          #42
                          Maybe that's what misogi is for, washes the weak downstream

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                            #43
                            Conclusion 1: Many Aikidoka exist who are competent at ukemi.

                            1.1: Many Aikido schools train with overly compliant drilling and/or minimum resistance
                            1.1.1: The philosophy of 'Ai-Ki' (Harmony-Commitment); [embracing not resisting] pervades the entire organization
                            1.1.2: Aikido grading syllabus features an Aesthetic criteria, judging technical prowess based on the natural harmony and beauty of the movement.
                            1.1.3: The Syllabus contains dance-like Aesthetic movements that require repetitive drilling to achieve consistency to a gradeable standard.
                            1.2: Compliant drilling accomodates extra ukemi practice.
                            1.2.1: Being eager to co-operate with a throw attempt results in more breakfalling opportunities than resisting throws and/or takedown attempts.
                            1.2.1.1: Co-operative partners spend more time throwing and being thrown than resisting throws.
                            1.2.1.2: More time being thrown means more breakfalls.

                            Conclusion 2: Aikido masters may soon face unemployment.

                            2.1: Aikido currently has limited appeal to the Modern Martial Artist.
                            2.1.1: Effective Training is clearly evident in combat sports, BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo, etc..
                            2.1.2: None of the MMA Champions in any weight class in the UFC have ever claimed Aikido as the secret to their success. (with the exception of Silva with his toungue in cheek reference to Seagal's 'Aikido kick')
                            2.2: There are no significant amount of Aikidoka emerging with any success in Professional MMA
                            2.2.1: Professional MMA fighting results are a reasonable tool to gauge some degree of a Martial Art's effectiveness, popularity, and widespread availability of quality training available in Combat sports.

                            Conclusion 3: If you're not going to do Judo, you should at least study Ukemi.

                            3.1: The possibility of being thrown onto your back and/or head in MMA or 'the str33t' is significant enough to prepare yourself for with some type of training.
                            3.1.1: The difference between expert-level Ukemi and basic-level Ukemi just might make the difference between a recoverable injury and paraplegia in an extreme situation.
                            3.2: Practicing MMA fighters are well-equipped to improve their ukemi with little extra training
                            3.2.1: Modern MMA gyms are primarily concerned with physical assault tactics, stressing the importance of agility, flexibility, and reflex
                            3.2.2: Takedowns and groundfighting represent a significant component of a rounded MMA game.
                            3.2.3 Competitive MMA techniques require a minimum standard of Physical Athletic ability
                            3.3: Ukemi primarily concerns itself with flexibility, agility, and reflex
                            3.4: Aikido may have a financial future in modern MMA by evolving into a more complete ukemi system, but devoid of any 'Aikinage' so to speak
                            3.4.1: Despite little combat applicability for Aikinage, the Ukemi of a competent Aikidoka is sufficient to instruct breakfalling techniques to unfamiliar fighters.
                            3.4.1.1: Although Aikido reputedly has a 'steep' learning curve (this issue is contentious) Aikido beginners are throwing each other to the mat and learning to breakfall properly within their first couple of lessons, and this training continues right through the senior ranks.
                            3.4.1.2: In Aikido training, breakfalling drills often form part of the warmup in addition to breakfalling used in technical drills.

                            Final Conclusion: Ex (or current) Aikidoka (or Judoka) training in MMA have an opportunity to improve the Ukemi in their camp by offering Ukemi specific classes, and furthermore this requires little effort and promises worthy reward.
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                              #44
                              DAY hacked Colin's account, or so it seems.

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                                #45
                                I just beat the internet
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