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  • DCS
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    Originally posted by Colin View Post
    I'll repeat it to myself in the shower.
    Video pls.

    As for where the hell did I pull that retarded statement from; haven't you ever seen kung fu movies? :P
    As far as lack of education on nomenclature, sorry about that.
    No problem, you guys in academia sometimes make mistakes too.

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  • Vieux Normand
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    Originally posted by DCS View Post
    By "this" you mean aikido techniques, performed by aikidoka? Can you be more especific?
    Sorry for the lack of clarity: I was referring to the vid in post #173. I will look at the other vids in the thread. Thanks also for your answers, Ben, Greg, Step and Colin. When I'm off work, I'll search this out properly.

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  • Colin
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    Sankyo is not a Kimura
    Sankyo is not a Kimura
    Sankyo is not a Kimura


    I'll repeat it to myself in the shower. As for where the hell did I pull that retarded statement from; haven't you ever seen kung fu movies? :P
    As far as lack of education on nomenclature, sorry about that.

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  • DCS
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    The part's I'm not adressing are the ones which I don't (a) disagree, (b) give a fuck.

    In your last post I adressed a spelling question, a technical confusion and asked you about the sources of your knowledge about japanese/american LEO handcuffing procedures.

    What you felt/noticed when you switched from aikido to judo/bjj is, as much, anecdotical evidence of the degree of transferability between arts so it has to be treated as one.

    If you want to elaborate about how your aikido experience helped you in judo/jj, I don't have any problem. The only problem I had with your previous post is your sankyo/kimura confusion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but you don't get to make up your own facts. Sankyo is not a Kimura and this is a fact.

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  • Colin
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    There's no citation. It's a baseless YMAS style post.
    You like to address certain parts of what I say while ignoring the rest, so how can i answer you properly?

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  • DCS
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    Originally posted by Colin View Post
    The technique you are describing sounds like some form of Dai-Nikkyo (spelling?)
    Nikyo.

    the "second form" of Aikido wristlock. This technique is commonly used by Japanese police while handcuffing, as opposed to the "Third Form" (Sankyo) style (think kimura) of handcuffing used by American Law Enforcement.
    Sankyo is nothing like a Kimura.

    Sankyo (Tissier):


    Sankyo (Roy Dean)


    Standing Kimura (Parysian):


    Standing Kimura (Grappler's Quest - go to 0:40 mark for the ouch!!!)


    On the different handcuffing methods used by japanese and american LEO: Source, citation?

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  • Colin
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    Originally posted by StepInCross View Post
    I've been manhandled by an akidoka before. It was in a history class and we were given group projects of learning about traditional martial arts of different countries. One of the guys presenting said he was a blackbelt in aikido. I figured, I'd see for myself. He told me to put my arm forward and without skipping a beat, the guy put me in VERY deep wristlock even before my arm was hand was raised above waist level. I had to kneel from the pain. I even rolled to get out of it and told him to ease up.

    Just an anecdote. Keep in mind that I have no experience whatsoever in grappling. That might explain how he basically pretzel-lized me.
    The technique you are describing sounds like some form of Dai-Nikkyo (spelling?) the "second form" of Aikido wristlock. This technique is commonly used by Japanese police while handcuffing, as opposed to the "Third Form" (Sankyo) style (think kimura) of handcuffing used by American Law Enforcement.

    Furthermore (this is a little off topic now) my experience with Aikido jointlocks helped me understand Judo and JJ jointlocks better than I might have, if I were a fresh beginner.

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  • StepInCross
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    I've been manhandled by an akidoka before. It was in a history class and we were given group projects of learning about traditional martial arts of different countries. One of the guys presenting said he was a blackbelt in aikido. I figured, I'd see for myself. He told me to put my arm forward and without skipping a beat, the guy put me in VERY deep wristlock even before my arm was hand was raised above waist level. I had to kneel from the pain. I even rolled to get out of it and told him to ease up.

    Just an anecdote. Keep in mind that I have no experience whatsoever in grappling. That might explain how he basically pretzel-lized me.

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  • gregaquaman
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    Originally posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Forgive me if this has been asked before, and--given the length and number of Aikido threads--it almost certainly has...but is there any footage of this being attempted/used on a noncompliant individual?

    I'm aware of the theory behind the compliance: go with the technique or suffer a sprain/fracture/whatever, but has this been shown in a live-training/live-fighting situation?
    You did see the brazil vid earlier in this thread?

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=105607&page=8
    Last edited by gregaquaman; 4/15/2011 1:34pm, .

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  • BKR
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    I've had aikido techniques done to me and I was being non compliant. That was years ago. They do work, if done correctly.

    Ben

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  • DCS
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    Originally posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Forgive me if this has been asked before, and--given the length and number of Aikido threads--it almost certainly has...but is there any footage of this being attempted/used on a noncompliant individual?
    By "this" you mean aikido techniques, performed by aikidoka? Can you be more especific?

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  • Vieux Normand
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    Forgive me if this has been asked before, and--given the length and number of Aikido threads--it almost certainly has...but is there any footage of this being attempted/used on a noncompliant individual?

    I'm aware of the theory behind the compliance: go with the technique or suffer a sprain/fracture/whatever, but has this been shown in a live-training/live-fighting situation?

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  • BKR
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    Originally posted by BSONE View Post
    yes I go every year.

    Im the uke with the red tape on the gi.

    Any time I see someone labelled as "shihan" I cringe.

    Some nice ukemi there, and interesting movements, some of which looked they might have some practical value. Aikido has some good stuff in it, but as in this video, some of it is kind of fantastical. I'd like to see him work with someone who can really punch/strike. He has nice looking tai sabaki.

    Note, I'm not jamming on the "shihan", just giving my honest opinion.

    Ben

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  • Colin
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    @ DCS I think I have a pretty realistic assessment of my own current capabilities (six weeks of serious training 4-5 days a week in some serious rough and tumble with a background in basic shit ukemi, is what I'm basically at.) figure out what that amounts to yourself if you like.

    In any case, there's no need for me to teach ukemi at my gym, or anywhere else, since basically every guy I train with is competent due to the component of the beginners course that they run.

    I feel pretty confident in my own capacity to fall safely in a variety of situations, but my initial argument wasn't about myself or my ability to teach in any capacity.
    The initial argument, and subsequent formal position still represent my views, but I do not make the claim that the 'Aikido' I studied has 'the r34L', or that the justification behind any competancy I have was the Aikido i learned. My actual argument is just theoretical, but it is based on training practices.

    Please note that I'm not citing this six week period as my only valuable experience or relevant experience, I am citing this period as my personal testing period of my own competency level.
    Last edited by Colin; 4/15/2011 10:20am, . Reason: bolded

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  • DCS
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    @ Colin,

    I can't asess your current breakfalling level (or your teaching skills). I hope you are not thinking it being higher than what is in reality because thats the path that lead to avoidable accidents and injuries.

    @ Judoka_uk,

    You haven't heard me talking....

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