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    There's no citation. It's a baseless YMAS style post.
    You like to address certain parts of what I say while ignoring the rest, so how can i answer you properly?
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      The part's I'm not adressing are the ones which I don't (a) disagree, (b) give a fuck.

      In your last post I adressed a spelling question, a technical confusion and asked you about the sources of your knowledge about japanese/american LEO handcuffing procedures.

      What you felt/noticed when you switched from aikido to judo/bjj is, as much, anecdotical evidence of the degree of transferability between arts so it has to be treated as one.

      If you want to elaborate about how your aikido experience helped you in judo/jj, I don't have any problem. The only problem I had with your previous post is your sankyo/kimura confusion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but you don't get to make up your own facts. Sankyo is not a Kimura and this is a fact.

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        Sankyo is not a Kimura
        Sankyo is not a Kimura
        Sankyo is not a Kimura


        I'll repeat it to myself in the shower. As for where the hell did I pull that retarded statement from; haven't you ever seen kung fu movies? :P
        As far as lack of education on nomenclature, sorry about that.
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          Originally posted by DCS View Post
          By "this" you mean aikido techniques, performed by aikidoka? Can you be more especific?
          Sorry for the lack of clarity: I was referring to the vid in post #173. I will look at the other vids in the thread. Thanks also for your answers, Ben, Greg, Step and Colin. When I'm off work, I'll search this out properly.

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            Originally posted by Colin View Post
            I'll repeat it to myself in the shower.
            Video pls.

            As for where the hell did I pull that retarded statement from; haven't you ever seen kung fu movies? :P
            As far as lack of education on nomenclature, sorry about that.
            No problem, you guys in academia sometimes make mistakes too.

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              To address the topic of Aikido transferable techniques into groundfighting, last night while rolling (BJJ with GI) I was rolling with another beginner (even wetter behind the ears than me, and a good 5-6 years younger) and he told me that he had a hapkido background (he wasn't arrogant or anything like that about it, the guys in my gym are pretty straight forward with each other about previous experience) and I mentioned my Aikido background, while I was grabbing his bent and turtled "t-rex" arm, turning the wristlock into a Nikyo, my left arm controlling his left wrist, and my right arm (full grip with thumb too) hooking into the crook of his elbow, mimicking a grounded version of a first form type compliance lock (I lost the wrist control to gain the elbow control). I did this from half guard.

              An interesting Aikido/BJJ experience :D
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                Originally posted by Colin View Post
                To address the topic of Aikido transferable techniques into groundfighting....
                An interesting Aikido/BJJ experience :D
                We were doing this drill in BJJ this Wednesday.

                I haven't learned how to do a chicken wing wristlock properly yet, so I was naturally doing an Ikyo wristlock to finish instead.
                The BJJ club president encourages me to utilize my training from Aikido into BJJ. So far, I've found rolls, ikyo, and nikyo from Aikido transferable to groundfighting. Anybody tried sankyo in groundfighting?

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                  Anybody tried sankyo in groundfighting?
                  For defending RNC & harness attempts.

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                    Originally posted by DCS View Post
                    For defending RNC & harness attempts.
                    Thanks! Why haven't I thought about that. *facepalm*

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                      Originally posted by BKR View Post
                      Any time I see someone labelled as "shihan" I cringe.

                      Some nice ukemi there, and interesting movements, some of which looked they might have some practical value. Aikido has some good stuff in it, but as in this video, some of it is kind of fantastical. I'd like to see him work with someone who can really punch/strike. He has nice looking tai sabaki.

                      Note, I'm not jamming on the "shihan", just giving my honest opinion.

                      Ben
                      I know what you mean about the "Shihan" labell, it gets thrown around way too much, especially in the fringe aikido community. Tissier is legit though, at least as far as hombu aikikai is concerned.

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                        Originally posted by BKR View Post
                        Some nice ukemi there, and interesting movements, some of which looked they might have some practical value. Aikido has some good stuff in it, but as in this video, some of it is kind of fantastical. I'd like to see him work with someone who can really punch/strike. He has nice looking tai sabaki.

                        Ben
                        I doubt you would ever see him work like that. It would be cool, but the guy is in his late fifties, and gets paid to teach aikido all over the world. Why risk it? Especially when the point is to be fantastical, its aikido.

                        Myself, I know that for more relaistic training judo would be the best, if I wanted to stick with traditonal Japanese arts. But I like the fantasy side of aikido, its fun and intersting for me even after 20 years.

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                          Originally posted by Colin View Post
                          To address the topic of Aikido transferable techniques into groundfighting, last night while rolling (BJJ with GI) I was rolling with another beginner (even wetter behind the ears than me, and a good 5-6 years younger) and he told me that he had a hapkido background (he wasn't arrogant or anything like that about it, the guys in my gym are pretty straight forward with each other about previous experience) and I mentioned my Aikido background, while I was grabbing his bent and turtled "t-rex" arm, turning the wristlock into a Nikyo, my left arm controlling his left wrist, and my right arm (full grip with thumb too) hooking into the crook of his elbow, mimicking a grounded version of a first form type compliance lock (I lost the wrist control to gain the elbow control). I did this from half guard.

                          An interesting Aikido/BJJ experience :D
                          I know this technique. If anyone picks up on this, I'll bet it'll be the consensus that aikido gooseneck from the half guard = crappling.

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                            Not counting noobs allowed to do wristlocks in gi rolling... At that phase they should be working on basics instead of pulling techniques that are usually illegal until blue.

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                              Originally posted by BSONE View Post
                              I doubt you would ever see him work like that. It would be cool, but the guy is in his late fifties, and gets paid to teach aikido all over the world. Why risk it? Especially when the point is to be fantastical, its aikido.

                              Myself, I know that for more relaistic training judo would be the best, if I wanted to stick with traditonal Japanese arts. But I like the fantasy side of aikido, its fun and intersting for me even after 20 years.
                              Well, I'm no aikido basher. I've worked with aikidoka who were quite skilled, had great balance, movement, etc. My judo instructor had a lot of respect for aikido, and took some important lessons from it regarding his and hence my judo training as well.

                              You have to look at things in context. In the context of what the founder had in mind, aikido is just fine. Judo is more "realistic", but still, very lacking in terms of the context of MMA (no striking) or "street" type self defense (no weapons, no striking, etc.) And that is OK in the context of the basic idea of Kano. Even that evolved over time.

                              In Judo, one gets used to hard physical contact and resisting training partners (even this depends on where and how/why one trains), and can develop a tough mental attitude, etc.

                              Ben
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                                Originally posted by Permalost View Post
                                I know this technique. If anyone picks up on this, I'll bet it'll be the consensus that aikido gooseneck from the half guard = crappling.
                                Like this?

                                I've actually learned quite a few nasty wristlocks in BJJ.
                                They are much, much worse on the ground than standing imo.

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