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    yes I go every year.

    Im the uke with the red tape on the gi.

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      DCS: You remember me when we first met (on bs.net) all those years ago? Why would I come up with some fictitious Aikido background that didn't exist? Why make myself look like an Aikijoker if I never trained in Aikido.

      I find your implication hurtful.
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        Serious mode on

        Hi Collin,

        Sorry but hurting your feelings is not something was aiming for.

        Let me explain:

        When I wrote "I'm starting to have serious doubts about Colin having any aikido experience. " I meant you believe you practised aikido but I doubt what you practised was really aikido.

        After looking around for info these last days about the style you practised (back in 2004 there was less info available in the net, I was less knowledgeable about the subject and my English was way poorer) I'm starting to think you practised something advertised under the name of aikido, but not aikido (the investigation is still in process).

        Like that kid who tought he was training in Judo under Matt "third leg of Judo" Morton. Big surprise, the kid was not practising Judo.

        I suspect you're in a similar situation and your belief about you having some aikido skills (ukemi in this case) is a false one.

        Got my point?

        Serious mode off/YMAS mode on:

        Why make myself look like an Aikijoker if I never trained in Aikido.
        Because

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          Originally posted by DCS View Post
          my English was way poorer
          Well its become pretty darn good, because I thought you were English.
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            Hey DCS, I really appreciate your straightforward response, and I'm also not only prepared to accept your assertion, I'm wholeheartedly of the same conclusion. I got my back up because I assumed (incorrectly) that this was your overall assessment of my martial arts or current breakfalling level, and took it a bit to heart.

            The letter that you showed me penned by Ueshiba himself discredited one of my core beliefs about the 'Aikido' system I trained in.

            I became rather close to most of the people I trained with in the Aikido Association and would not like to offend any of them when I say: To call what they are doing on the mat the same thing as what I NOW understand to actually be a martial art, is a false predicate.

            I kind of hinted at this earlier when I stated that I had an unsubstantiated theory that there were some decent Aikido dojo out there. I just haven't trained at one.

            Much love,

            ~ Colin
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              @ Colin,

              I can't asess your current breakfalling level (or your teaching skills). I hope you are not thinking it being higher than what is in reality because thats the path that lead to avoidable accidents and injuries.

              @ Judoka_uk,

              You haven't heard me talking....

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                @ DCS I think I have a pretty realistic assessment of my own current capabilities (six weeks of serious training 4-5 days a week in some serious rough and tumble with a background in basic shit ukemi, is what I'm basically at.) figure out what that amounts to yourself if you like.

                In any case, there's no need for me to teach ukemi at my gym, or anywhere else, since basically every guy I train with is competent due to the component of the beginners course that they run.

                I feel pretty confident in my own capacity to fall safely in a variety of situations, but my initial argument wasn't about myself or my ability to teach in any capacity.
                The initial argument, and subsequent formal position still represent my views, but I do not make the claim that the 'Aikido' I studied has 'the r34L', or that the justification behind any competancy I have was the Aikido i learned. My actual argument is just theoretical, but it is based on training practices.

                Please note that I'm not citing this six week period as my only valuable experience or relevant experience, I am citing this period as my personal testing period of my own competency level.
                Last edited by Colin; 4/15/2011 10:20am, . Reason: bolded
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                  Originally posted by BSONE View Post
                  yes I go every year.

                  Im the uke with the red tape on the gi.

                  Any time I see someone labelled as "shihan" I cringe.

                  Some nice ukemi there, and interesting movements, some of which looked they might have some practical value. Aikido has some good stuff in it, but as in this video, some of it is kind of fantastical. I'd like to see him work with someone who can really punch/strike. He has nice looking tai sabaki.

                  Note, I'm not jamming on the "shihan", just giving my honest opinion.

                  Ben
                  Falling for Judo since 1980

                  "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

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                    Forgive me if this has been asked before, and--given the length and number of Aikido threads--it almost certainly has...but is there any footage of this being attempted/used on a noncompliant individual?

                    I'm aware of the theory behind the compliance: go with the technique or suffer a sprain/fracture/whatever, but has this been shown in a live-training/live-fighting situation?

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                      Originally posted by Vieux Normand View Post
                      Forgive me if this has been asked before, and--given the length and number of Aikido threads--it almost certainly has...but is there any footage of this being attempted/used on a noncompliant individual?
                      By "this" you mean aikido techniques, performed by aikidoka? Can you be more especific?

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                        I've had aikido techniques done to me and I was being non compliant. That was years ago. They do work, if done correctly.

                        Ben
                        Falling for Judo since 1980

                        "You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS

                        "The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake

                        "Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl

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                          Originally posted by Vieux Normand View Post
                          Forgive me if this has been asked before, and--given the length and number of Aikido threads--it almost certainly has...but is there any footage of this being attempted/used on a noncompliant individual?

                          I'm aware of the theory behind the compliance: go with the technique or suffer a sprain/fracture/whatever, but has this been shown in a live-training/live-fighting situation?
                          You did see the brazil vid earlier in this thread?

                          http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=105607&page=8
                          Last edited by gregaquaman; 4/15/2011 1:34pm, .
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                            I've been manhandled by an akidoka before. It was in a history class and we were given group projects of learning about traditional martial arts of different countries. One of the guys presenting said he was a blackbelt in aikido. I figured, I'd see for myself. He told me to put my arm forward and without skipping a beat, the guy put me in VERY deep wristlock even before my arm was hand was raised above waist level. I had to kneel from the pain. I even rolled to get out of it and told him to ease up.

                            Just an anecdote. Keep in mind that I have no experience whatsoever in grappling. That might explain how he basically pretzel-lized me.

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                              Originally posted by StepInCross View Post
                              I've been manhandled by an akidoka before. It was in a history class and we were given group projects of learning about traditional martial arts of different countries. One of the guys presenting said he was a blackbelt in aikido. I figured, I'd see for myself. He told me to put my arm forward and without skipping a beat, the guy put me in VERY deep wristlock even before my arm was hand was raised above waist level. I had to kneel from the pain. I even rolled to get out of it and told him to ease up.

                              Just an anecdote. Keep in mind that I have no experience whatsoever in grappling. That might explain how he basically pretzel-lized me.
                              The technique you are describing sounds like some form of Dai-Nikkyo (spelling?) the "second form" of Aikido wristlock. This technique is commonly used by Japanese police while handcuffing, as opposed to the "Third Form" (Sankyo) style (think kimura) of handcuffing used by American Law Enforcement.

                              Furthermore (this is a little off topic now) my experience with Aikido jointlocks helped me understand Judo and JJ jointlocks better than I might have, if I were a fresh beginner.
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                                Originally posted by Colin View Post
                                The technique you are describing sounds like some form of Dai-Nikkyo (spelling?)
                                Nikyo.

                                the "second form" of Aikido wristlock. This technique is commonly used by Japanese police while handcuffing, as opposed to the "Third Form" (Sankyo) style (think kimura) of handcuffing used by American Law Enforcement.
                                Sankyo is nothing like a Kimura.

                                Sankyo (Tissier):


                                Sankyo (Roy Dean)


                                Standing Kimura (Parysian):


                                Standing Kimura (Grappler's Quest - go to 0:40 mark for the ouch!!!)


                                On the different handcuffing methods used by japanese and american LEO: Source, citation?

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