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    I've been trying to get my oldest kid interested in something - anything. After a single season of baseball/soccer/football he'd not be interested in a second. Then, after some classmate brought stuff in for show-n-tell, my kid starts pestering me to sign him up for Tae Kwon Do.



    While looking, I came across this site, and an old post that seemed to make sense. Basically, "Just sign him up for anything. What does it matter? A month later he'll lose interest and want to do something else". Seemed perfect at the time so I stopped looking and signed him up at the place closest to our house.





    Is there any sort of consensus on that? What are people's thoughts on this situation?

    A) Keep him where he's at until he's older so that he'll be unlikely to injure himself
    B) Jiu-jitsu is perfectly safe, send him there
    C) Talk to the Gracie places and ask them if they keep the kids away from the dangerous stuff (whatever that might be)

    If anyone thinks 'C' is the answer, what would be some of the things I should be making sure they don't have the kids trying?


    P.S. Any Judo instructors want to move next door and open up a kid's program? I can almost guarantee one customer. Tempted? <echo> Anyone?

    #2
    So a poster gave you bad advice not bullshido? Most of those threads have one or two posts of "sign up for anything" followed by 10 to 20 posts of what happens when they learn bad habits or enjoys the bad choice.

    You have just become a victim of what we yell here, on a constant basis, called " read the whole damn thread." If he enjoys what he is doing and is active that is a good thing in the 21st century. You only have yourself to blame. Is the school that bad or is it the price?

    Do you remember what thread?

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      #3
      Please tell us which county (with *only 1.1 Million people) you live in and we might better help you with some informational options. I live in a town of 50K and there is (now) a Judo option available to me, so I am thinking you might not have looked hard enough.

      Right now, at 7 turning 8, his interest in Tang So Do (financially aside) isn't a bad thing, provided it is keeping him fit and active and the head instructor isn't telling the kid he is a walking weapon. There are some decent schools, but..then again, he's 7 so it is more an activity then a dedication to training.

      I don't see the possibility of his injuring himself at either the TSD, TKD or GJJ school. At 7 he is much more flexible than you or I and will be fine, regardless as to where he trains. Take him to the GJJ school and the two of you watch a class and see if either or both of you like it.

      Honestly, the most dangerous thing I have read from your post is a 7 year old fucking about with nunchucks. His bones and growth will be fine.

      And welcome to the site. It is always good to see another father looking after their child.

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        #4
        Originally posted by me_too View Post
        The kids’ turning eight, and I've read some stuff on this site that says it might not be good for his bones/growth. [/FONT]

        Is there any sort of consensus on that? What are people's thoughts on this situation?
        Where did you read that? I believe with kids they often limit them to just wrestling for position and don't allow them to go for subs in free rolling. Maybe this is what you're thinking of? BJJ is not going to be any worse on bone development or stuff like that than judo would. If anything judo is worse as you're going to take more bumps.

        Also, please don't mess with the font settings when you post.

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          #5
          If you browse around a bit, you'll see that it's kinda funny to blame Bullshido for NOT steering you towards judo. It's cheap and widely available, you see.

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            #6
            Since you are new, if you copy and paste your font is fine don't worry about that at all.

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              #7
              Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
              So a poster gave you bad advice not bullshido? Most of those threads have one or two posts of "sign up for anything" followed by 10 to 20 posts of what happens when they learn bad habits or enjoys the bad choice.

              You have just become a victim of what we yell here, on a constant basis, called " read the whole damn thread." If he enjoys what he is doing and is active that is a good thing in the 21st century. You only have yourself to blame. Is the school that bad or is it the price?

              Do you remember what thread?
              Yes, just a random Bullshido member who seemed to make sense. I read the post a few months ago and don't really remember which one it was. It might of been a "Will teaching your kid striking or grappling get them in more trouble at school", and someone chimed in to say, "What does it matter. They'll probably quit after a few months anyways".

              The advice wasn't necessarialy bad, it just didn't work as planned, which is why I used so many a's in the word, and latter said it wasn't.

              Based on my kid's past behavior, I really didn't think he'd stay interested. I was wrong. So, now I will be needing to direct him to a different class unless I want him learning Tang So Do. Since I'm his father, I can get him excited enough to go to another place without much effort, but keeping him interested would depend on the new place. It would have to compete in a kid's mind with nunchucks and jumping kicks, but I think its doable.

              The current school seems OK enough. I guess. Of course I don't really know much of anything about martial arts, not having taken any. The guy who owns the place is in shape, seems fluid when doing the various moves, and also seems to have a knack with kids. The instructor to student ratio seems has been about 1-3 during the kid classes these last few months. The other instructors (black belts) are in their mid teens.

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                #8
                Okay you missed the important question which has become more relevant with your newest post. Is it a money issue or something else? BJJ might not be cheaper and considering the size of your town may actually be the same or more.

                As you admit to having no basis to critique a bad school or a good one I'll leave that alone. You said you have tried many things and the child loses interest. You found something the child likes and that it has held his interest.

                So, what has you worked up? You have said nothing bad but the issue with cost. Yes, air kicking nunchaku keep kids interested. What is the rest of the class es like as he progresses. Sparring? Grappling?
                Last edited by It is Fake; 3/24/2011 4:26pm, .

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
                  Please tell us which county (with *only 1.1 Million people) you live in and we might better help you with some informational options. I live in a town of 50K and there is (now) a Judo option available to me, so I am thinking you might not have looked hard enough.

                  Right now, at 7 turning 8, his interest in Tang So Do (financially aside) isn't a bad thing, provided it is keeping him fit and active and the head instructor isn't telling the kid he is a walking weapon. There are some decent schools, but..then again, he's 7 so it is more an activity then a dedication to training.

                  I don't see the possibility of his injuring himself at either the TSD, TKD or GJJ school. At 7 he is much more flexible than you or I and will be fine, regardless as to where he trains. Take him to the GJJ school and the two of you watch a class and see if either or both of you like it.

                  Honestly, the most dangerous thing I have read from your post is a 7 year old fucking about with nunchucks. His bones and growth will be fine.

                  And welcome to the site. It is always good to see another father looking after their child.
                  Franklin County, Ohio

                  I found the university Judo club and a guy affialiated with Ameri-kan judo. No kid classes. I did see at least one instructor who said he offered private Judo lessons, but he didn't list Judo as one of his belts. Thats it. I did find a few other places whose instructors claimed Judo rank, but they did not offer any Judo classes of any kind.

                  When I emailed the Ameri-kan guy to double check about kid classes, he said he was unaware of any as well.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by me_too View Post
                    Yes, just a random Bullshido member who seemed to make sense. I read the post a few months ago and don't really remember which one it was. It might of been a "Will teaching your kid striking or grappling get them in more trouble at school", and someone chimed in to say, "What does it matter. They'll probably quit after a few months anyways".
                    CONTEXTUALLY speaking, that comment isn't incorrect, it was likely more a slap at kid's attention spans than validating one manner of training over another.

                    The advice wasn't necessarialy bad, it just didn't work as planned, which is why I used so many a's in the word, and latter said it wasn't.

                    Based on my kid's past behavior, I really didn't think he'd stay interested. I was wrong. So, now I will be needing to direct him to a different class unless I want him learning Tang So Do. Since I'm his father, I can get him excited enough to go to another place without much effort, but keeping him interested would depend on the new place. It would have to compete in a kid's mind with nunchucks and jumping kicks, but I think its doable.
                    What specifically led you to the TSD school in the first place?
                    What specifically will lead you away from the TSD school?
                    Might I suggest, before you get the young man all geeking out on another style, the two of you go visit these other gyms, first? Nothing gets a kid exciting like seeing and showing rather than telling and explaining. Think about science. Would you rather I tell you about and explain reactions or show you what happens?

                    The current school seems OK enough. I guess. Of course I don't really know much of anything about martial arts, not having taken any. The guy who owns the place is in shape, seems fluid when doing the various moves, and also seems to have a knack with kids. The instructor to student ratio seems has been about 1-3 during the kid classes these last few months. The other instructors (black belts) are in their mid teens.
                    Three teenage blackbelts, unless they are like 17-19 and look like they could handle some shit, is the most concerning. I wouldn't want my kid, at age 15, thinking he's a badass and acting that way. Right now, if you are OK where your kid is, use this time to allow him to continue to be exposed to training. Since soccer/baseball/football is a no-go with him....at least this is a physical activity, right?
                    Use this time to research what is available to you, what exactly they are and what the costs are, so you don't regret your choice, like you are now.
                    If you wish for us to help, you can let us know that county and we can google what is available to you and posters with previous experience in that training can weigh-in.
                    Then, you and your son can visit the gyms or schools and see, first hand, what it is and he can try out an intro lesson.

                    EDIT:
                    I see you posted after this it is Franklin County.
                    Perhaps a Moderator can change the thread title to "KIDS CLASS SUGGESTIONS FRANKLIN COUNTY OHIO"?

                    I think poster Beorn was from this area, wasn't he?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by CrackFox View Post
                      Where did you read that? I believe with kids they often limit them to just wrestling for position and don't allow them to go for subs in free rolling. Maybe this is what you're thinking of? BJJ is not going to be any worse on bone development or stuff like that than judo would. If anything judo is worse as you're going to take more bumps.

                      Also, please don't mess with the font settings when you post.
                      From what I remeber from the thread, it said that some (Judo?) organization had done a few studies and determined it could damage the growthplates in their bones. I'm no medical profession and have no idea if this is true. I also could be mis-remembering it.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by me_too View Post
                        From what I remeber from the thread, it said that some (Judo?) organization had done a few studies and determined it could damage the growthplates in their bones. I'm no medical profession and have no idea if this is true. I also could be mis-remembering it.
                        Why don't you maybe look it up or something?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
                          Okay you missed the important question which has become more relevant with your newest post. Is it a money issue or something else? BJJ might not be cheaper and considering the size of your town may actually be the same or more.

                          As you admit to having no basis to critique a bad school or a good one I'll leave that alone. You said you have tried many things and the child loses interest. You found something the child likes and that it has held his interest.

                          So, what has you worked up? You have said nothing bad but the issue with cost. Yes, air kicking nunchaku keep kids interested. What is the rest of the class es like as he progresses. Sparring? Grappling?
                          The money is doable. However, I like the idea of getting the most bang for the buck.. By that, I mean, lets say there is two options

                          1. The kid likes it
                          2. The kid likes it and it might help him with self-defense, etc. as he gets older

                          While 1. is OK, I would prefer to spend it on 2. The only reason I'm thinking 2., is it looks like the kid might be taking after his mother, size-wise. While I'm 6'-3 220, shes 5'-nothing. He might be too.

                          Why not get a twofer if I can? From what I've been reading on this site, it looks like out of the local options, the jui-jitsu might give the most chance of that.

                          The existing class does have sparing, twice a month, for about 15 minutes, where the kids have foam helmets, chest protectors, and gloves. One day a week the guy has a class called 'grppling' that I have not asked about yet. I am not sure if he teaches it or not. I also found out he has been trying to get someone to come in and teach a Muy Thai class.

                          He is also not brainwashing the kids that they are turning into deadly ninja's or anything. I remeber his saying during one class something to the effect, "This technique (jumping kick) would not be very effective if you find yourself in a fight. Can you tell me why? But we need to learn how to do it anyway"

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CrackFox View Post
                            Why don't you maybe look it up or something?
                            I did(originally), and I read it too. The only reason I could think to look it up again is if I actually did think I wasn't remembering correctly. It was about damage to growthplates. It was Judo that didn't like certain teachings because of it. The comment was also made that BJJ essentially ignored the findings.

                            The point seemed contoversial in the thread and the equivocation in my post was just politeness. That way if someone disagreed, they could just tell themselves "He must be remembering wrong"

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                              #15
                              This thread?
                              http://www.bullshido.net/forums/arch...85665-p-2.html

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