@Aikido/Aikijujutsu Practicality

[W. Rabbit]

As I understand Aikido (and my understanding is practically nil), the reason Aikido would not be an effective fighting art is that, for lack of a better term, its creator was major peacenik and religious figure who developed techniques that claim to defeat people without hurting them.

That's fine and all....world peace and everything...but if the purpose of your art is specifically not to hurt the enemy badly, it's more an art of rough handshake than it is martial.

Does Aikido even have punches? I think an effective martial art should at least have those.

[The Juggernoob]

As I understand Aikido (and my understanding is practically nil), the reason Aikido would not be an effective fighting art is that, for lack of a better term, its creator was major peacenik and religious figure who developed techniques that claim to defeat people without hurting them.

That's fine and all....world peace and everything...but if the purpose of your art is specifically not to hurt the enemy badly, it's more an art of rough handshake than it is martial.

Does Aikido even have punches? I think an effective martial art should at least have those.

I'd love to see a deadliest warrior esque program. "Today we're breaking down the battle between a builder and a sandan Aikido prac". Builder uses "working man's strength", Aikodoka responds with "look at my pretty skirt".

[FinalLegion]

As I understand Aikido (and my understanding is practically nil), the reason Aikido would not be an effective fighting art is that, for lack of a better term, its creator was major peacenik and religious figure who developed techniques that claim to defeat people without hurting them.

That's fine and all....world peace and everything...but if the purpose of your art is specifically not to hurt the enemy badly, it's more an art of rough handshake than it is martial.

Does Aikido even have punches? I think an effective martial art should at least have those.

The only exposure I've had to aikido was during college. There was an aikido club on campus where I took a few lessons but spent more time watching. When I spoke to the instructor about aikido, he related to me that he was a practitioner of Shodokan Aikido (FACT:I never did certify that was true nor did I ever ask him what his rank was), which, as he put it, is more combative than the direct line of aikido that Ueshiba founded and taught. According to him, while aikido is, philosophically, supposed to be about protecting one's self from attack by peacefully controlling the attacker, aikido does have strikes that are taught. As he explained it, the strikes are open-handed, using the palm and ridge of the hand...what's commonly referred to as the 'knife hand' in some forms of karate, I think. He also explained that while the throws were supposed to be controlled and the locks were to be used for compliance, a throw with enough can seriously disable someone and the locks can break bones, but such things are supposed to be reserved only for dire situations.

I was never there long enough to know if he was just giving me a long line of BS, so I can't say he was definitely telling me the truth. This is strictly just what I was told, not what I know firsthand.

[The Juggernoob]

He also explained that while the throws were supposed to be controlled and the locks were to be used for compliance, a throw with enough can seriously disable someone and the locks can break bones, but such things are supposed to be reserved only for dire situations.

If this statement had been from a Judoka, it wouldnt be BS. From an Aikidoka, well, what do you think.

[FinalLegion]

If this statement had been from a Judoka, it wouldnt be BS. From an Aikidoka, well, what do you think.

I have no idea what to think. I've never been thrown by a Judoka and in the three, maybe four lessons I had in aikido, I was never thrown with much force...purposely, I'm assuming. Now, I've been told by students who've been through both that neither one is very pleasant, but I'll never really know until it happens to me.

[Sorekara]

How many times does an Aikidoka have to get stabbed before he is allowed to use Aikido?

[The Juggernoob]

How many times does an Aikidoka have to get stabbed before he is allowed to use Aikido?

I dont get it, whats the point. They may as well just throw it at them. I saw 3 possibilities for an earth shattering seoinage there. I may have to enter some aikido comps to troll the skirt wearing pansies.

[Sorekara]

I dont get it, whats the point. They may as well just throw it at them. I saw 3 possibilities for an earth shattering seoinage there. I may have to enter some aikido comps to troll the skirt wearing pansies.

Well,,,,, the vid is 6 years old. Aikido may be working now days.

[The Juggernoob]

Well,,,,, the vid is 6 years old. Aikido may be working now days.

Now that the moons of jupiter are aligned?

[W. Rabbit]

the strikes are open-handed, using the palm and ridge of the hand.

That is not what I would call a very peaceful way to strike your opponent.

[FinalLegion]

That is not what I would call a very peaceful way to strike your opponent.

I agree...then again, I don't think you can strike anyone in a "peaceful" way.

[The Juggernoob]

I agree...then again, I don't think you can strike anyone in a "peaceful" way.

Wrong. Pillow fight.

[FinalLegion]

Wrong. Pillow fight.

There's joke somewhere in there about Playboy Playmates...I just can't find it.

[The Juggernoob]

There's joke somewhere in there about Playboy Playmates...I just can't find it.

Its too much of a stretch to make. But since we're discussing skirt wearing ladies, lets get back onto the topic of Aikido

[Mister]

As I understand Aikido (and my understanding is practically nil), the reason Aikido would not be an effective fighting art is that, for lack of a better term, its creator was major peacenik and religious figure who developed techniques that claim to defeat people without hurting them.

That's fine and all....world peace and everything...but if the purpose of your art is specifically not to hurt the enemy badly, it's more an art of rough handshake than it is martial.

Does Aikido even have punches? I think an effective martial art should at least have those.

I agree the founder for lack of a better term did some pretty flowery shit to the art after the world war, where he started preaching peace and his style became...weak.

If you're interested (which I doubt) there's footage of Aikido before the war, some people still practice like that. Also American Aikido (with respect to America and Americans) is not so good.

Aikido does have strikes, strikes are a very important part of Aikido. That's what I was trying to say.

But people ignore it these days.

You're always supposed to make a strike first (throat, ribs, face, ears, chin, with the middle knuckle protruding) then a technique (if the strike doesn't do the job already), no technique in training (at least mine) starts without one.

All I'm saying is while it might have no live training like other martial arts, it still makes you more equiped to handle someone that has no training experience at all.

In my opinion at the very least.