@Aikido/Aikijujutsu Practicality

[The Juggernoob]

That's nonsense. You can't just throw out blanket statements like that and expect that they'll be taken seriously. You're trying to tell us that there is no way that aikido can be a useful self-defense art. That's categorically untrue, especially considering the variety of aikido schools available; for example, I wouldn't say that Tomiki Aikido is a useless self-defense art.

It also gets down to the quality of your training. Just because you study boxing or MT doesn't mean you're going to do well in a self-defense application...a crappy teacher is a crappy teacher. This is true of any art, although it would be correct that some arts are better suited to modern self-defense than others. Wing Chun for example...it's a not a horrible, crappy thing to learn, but it just doesn't translate well into modern self-defense.

Can, will, have done.

Crappy MT would prepare you better than talented Aikido, primarily because MT covers such issues such as being hit, and hitting in return.

[FinalLegion]

That's good and all, but you act as if aikido prepares you for nothing. MT prepares you to be hit and to hit in return...aikido prepares you to avoid being hit and to control the hitter.

Would an aikidoka have a huge problem if an MT practitioner landed a solid blow? You bet...probably end the fight.

Would an MT practioner have a huge problem if an aikidoka was able to put him in an especially painful lock or if he managed to throw him once or twice with considerable power? You bet...probably end the fight.

In the end, it comes down to:
-how good was your teacher
-how well did you absorb the lessons
-who, at the instant of truth, is able to seize the advantage

Blanket statements only result in bad logic.

[The Juggernoob]

That's good and all, but you act as if aikido prepares you for nothing. MT prepares you to be hit and to hit in return...aikido prepares you to avoid being hit and to control the hitter.

Would an aikidoka have a huge problem if an MT practitioner landed a solid blow? You bet...probably end the fight.

Would an MT practioner have a huge problem if an aikidoka was able to put him in an especially painful lock or if he managed to throw him once or twice with considerable power? You bet...probably end the fight.

In the end, it comes down to:
-how good was your teacher
-how well did you absorb the lessons
-who, at the instant of truth, is able to seize the advantage

Blanket statements only result in bad logic.

How can you say that an Aikidoka could even get someone in a lock or get them with a throw. They dont spar. Using Aikido on an aggresive opponent would be an alien experience. The same can not be said about MT.

Btw. I havnt got a hard on for MT here, its just the example I use, substitute it with any art that actually spars full contact, even Judo, in this case, could be said to out do Aikido, as we train to dump people who really do not want to be dumped.

[FinalLegion]

Shodokan AND Daito-Ryu aikido both employ sparring, or randori as it is called in aikido. As students progress in their training, the uke (attacker) is directed to be more and more aggressive with the nage (defender). An aikido student cannot even earn a black belt without passing a randori in which they face three uke at once...three uke who are permitted to use any kind of attack or strike upon the nage. Modern aikido practitioners favor the emphasis on randori so as to create a better defense art.

Now, schools and instructors that DON'T emphasize randori? I totally agree with you in this case. If there is no emphasis on randori, then aikido just becomes forms and technique...kata and theory...and while all that may help person achieve a spiritual goal or advance on their quest for enlightenment, it will not give them a worthwhile self-defense art.

[Yoj]

Blanket statements only result in bad logic.

Well yes, thanks for demonstrating that. most aikido locks are a waste of time, and if a MT guy was to fight a typical aikidoka, the Mt guy would win. The idea that an aikidoka would throw a MT guy is laughable, the MT guy has the the real life live experience of timing real punches for impact, exactly what the majority of of aikidoka wont be able to cope with.

you've clearly missed the point of aikido locks. Well done.

[The Juggernoob]

I totall understand why it is that you think that. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. If you ever get the chance, go to a good Judo club and ask to do randori with them.

[FinalLegion]

Ah yes...because an aikidoka could never, ever hope to defeat an MT practitioner. I mean, the aikidoka has no hope of avoiding or intercepting an MT guy's strikes. No matter who it is, it will always and forever be a losing battle for the aikidoka.

Thank you for joining Bullshido, God. It's great when you show up to dispense absolute knowledge.

[Yoj]

Shodokan AND Daito-Ryu aikido both employ sparring, or randori as it is called in aikido.

Please tell us about your daito ryu experiences and how they relate to this thread.

[W. Rabbit]

Blanket statements only result in bad logic.

You just made a blanket statement about blanket statements, and it's wrong.

You meant to say bad logic results in blanket statements....which is still a blanket statement.

Go post in an intro in Newbietown.

[The Juggernoob]

Ah yes...because an aikidoka could never, ever hope to defeat an MT practitioner. I mean, the aikidoka has no hope of avoiding or intercepting an MT guy's strikes. No matter who it is, it will always and forever be a losing battle for the aikidoka.

Thank you for joining Bullshido, God. It's great when you show up to dispense absolute knowledge.

Dont take it personally. There is a whole load of evidence supporting these generally held opinions.

[FinalLegion]

I have...and I totally understand where you're coming from. I honestly do. I'm simply saying until we see it happen, we just don't know what will happen. We can gauge from our experiences, but we can't say with absolute knowledge what will be. We might come close, but truth is stranger than fiction.

Anyways, I'm glad we're agreeing to disagree in a civil manner. As you can see, I just recently joined Bullshido and I am sincerely trying to avoid any 'screaming' matches.

[W. Rabbit]

Anyways, I'm glad we're agreeing to disagree in a civil manner. As you can see, I just recently joined Bullshido and I am sincerely trying to avoid any 'screaming' matches.

You've already failed. It started when you didn't read follow the website's rules and necro'd a 5 month old thread.

[Yoj]

I have...and I totally understand where you're coming from. I honestly do. I'm simply saying until we see it happen, we just don't know what will happen. We can gauge from our experiences, but we can't say with absolute knowledge what will be. We might come close, but truth is stranger than fiction.

Anyways, I'm glad we're agreeing to disagree in a civil manner. As you can see, I just recently joined Bullshido and I am sincerely trying to avoid any 'screaming' matches.

What style of aikido do you do?

[FinalLegion]

As a practitioner? None. As an observer? Quite a bit. It doesn't take a master to correctly observer when someone is aggressively attacking and someone is shuffling along like a zombie.

I need to explain how it relates to this thread? I need to explain how describing the observed effectiveness of aikido relates to a thread that is titled "Aikido/Aikijutsu Practicality"?

[FinalLegion]

And here you are replying to the thread. Congratulations on assisting me.