SO I've gathered a lot that Aiki should definitly NOT be someones starting art and should be practice with cross training in more striking arts? So I have 11 years worth of Okinawan Go Ju Ryu under my belt, I am an Ichkyu( But would be Shodan, had to leave due to money problems and I was one test away from Black belt which sucks balls). Would going into Aiki be a smart move as long as I attend a good Dojo?
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Do Judo. Harrisburg has a large club.
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It's not so much about getting a striking art, so much as a fighting art. Aikido will be trained compliantly via patterns and drills. From what I've seen of Goju Ryu, I believe that trains the same way.Originally posted by Cold_Skin View Post
Judo, even with no striking, gets people fighting each other. It's mainly Judo's heavy emphasis on randori that makes it more practical than Aikido.
Whatever style or art you choose: if you want to get good at fighting - train fighting.
Wherever you train Aikido, it's unlikely that will be the case. Some styles of Aikido are technically more martial (eg. Yoshinkan, Nishio, Yoseikan) than others, but they are still trained without contact sparring.
As such you are likely to learn some awesome techniques that you'll never manage to apply under pressure.Comment
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Now, THAT'S a dojo.
Don't expect the OP to get anywhere near it.
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Since you have so much experience, why don't you just buy the Yoshinkai basic techniques DVD? Pranin, at aikidojournal.com, sells them for, iirc, $150. If you don't like it, put it on eBay and get some money back. If you do like it, you have the best example of Yoshinkai basics available and you didn't have to leave your house.Originally posted by Cold_Skin View PostComment
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As someone with six years of on again off again Daito Ryu training, I can tell you that it must be trained with aliveness to be functional. It is not an easy art to learn. I have spent whole sessions not being able to make a single technique work. It is not a quick art to learn, but something that takes many years. I have also cross-trained in other arts to supplement my training. The fact that Daito Ryu is a principle based art lends itself well to cross training. I just recently started training in BJJ because I wanted to expand my knowledge base, and the art complements my Daito Ryu. BJJ is a live art, and techniques are applied at full speed and resistance. There is nothing wrong with training in any art, as long as it's strengths and weaknesses are noted, and you take steps to fill in your areas of need.Comment
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@DCS Thanks, that dojo looks promising from the web page. Once the family car is repaired I'll put in a call for an observation apointment.Comment
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Amdur sensei has some cool ideas about making aikido work, and live experimentation against jabs and such to see how it could be used, worthwhile playing there.Comment
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I practiced Aikido for three years, got to the rank of yonkyu(should have been a sankyu) , went to class 4 days a week, went to an assload of seminars with high ranked instructors that have been doing this shit forever, and let me tell you, aikido is garbage without first using striking, nothing more than a bunch of passive aggressive people looking to assert control over their lives without having to potentially be really scared or get over feeling bad about hitting someone in order to do it. One of the worst things is these ukemi lapdogs who think the way they fall has any bearing on how well they will actually learn how to fight. Fuck even the founder of the damn style says that it is 90% striking, b but do people bother to listen to that, NO, they want their magical ki bullshit based on pseudoscience, fact is when you hit someone it loosens them up generally(unless you happen to be one of those real iron body practitioners who takes hits like a champ) and THEN you can apply the hopefully nonlethal technique.
Aikido is generally worthless nowadays, only a very few people know how to actually work it.Comment
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My uncle used to do do aikibudo and he told me:
''Aikibudo is not a fighting martial art. I would get my ass kicked by anybody if I try to defend myself with it.''
Then I asked him why he did it and he said it's because he enjoyed doing it. He said it was about team work and traditon etc.
Just because I respect my uncle, I won't disrespect aikido. But if you really think you can actually defend yourself or fight using it, you'll be dead soon. Seriously, that's ridiculous!
If you want something for self defence, try muay thai or boxing, or at least something else, but not aikido! Be reasonable.
Doing aikido for self defence is like starting swimming for self defence.Comment
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Last time I checked, being in great shape kind of helps in a self defence situation.Originally posted by boxingfan03 View Post
Edit: And think of all the awesome ways you could snub would-be knife murderers while walking along any shoreline. Like swimming into the sunset while shouting "I'm Aquaman biatch!". I really want to start swimming now.Last edited by Kaffe; 4/02/2011 5:01pm, .Comment
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That's nonsense. You can't just throw out blanket statements like that and expect that they'll be taken seriously. You're trying to tell us that there is no way that aikido can be a useful self-defense art. That's categorically untrue, especially considering the variety of aikido schools available; for example, I wouldn't say that Tomiki Aikido is a useless self-defense art.
It also gets down to the quality of your training. Just because you study boxing or MT doesn't mean you're going to do well in a self-defense application...a crappy teacher is a crappy teacher. This is true of any art, although it would be correct that some arts are better suited to modern self-defense than others. Wing Chun for example...it's a not a horrible, crappy thing to learn, but it just doesn't translate well into modern self-defense.Comment
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