@Aikido/Aikijujutsu Practicality

[herbo1]

-Also, I took tkd for 3.5 years, sparring was once a week.
-it is daito ryu.
-My experience with self defense situations, I have been jumped multiple times in my town, and had to defend myself, so i think I can say "what helps" you defend yourself.
-I also stated that I wasn't very good yet, and this was only based on my experience so far
- Not aware of "alive training"
-I stated multiple times it was only my opinion, and never said anyone was wrong

Youtube "Matt Thornton". Watch with wide eyed amazement as your entire concept of useful training is remodelled. Return here and thanks us. Do Judo.

[Alphacide]

Youtube "Matt Thornton". Watch with wide eyed amazement as your entire concept of useful training is remodelled. Return here and thanks us. Do Judo.

So is aikijujitsu not considered a functional martial art than? I watched some of his videos and he mentioned that alot.

[Aikironin21]

5-7 seven months is not enough time to understand Aikido technique enough to be rating how practical it is for self defense. Irimi Nage has been called the twenty year throw. Why?I was told, O'Sensei spent twenty years perfecting the technique, till he was satisfied with it. However you, in five months, have grasped the concepts and techniques of Aikido enough to judge it against other systems. It doesn't matter if what you say is true or not. You just don't have the time in to make that call. Keep training and come back in a couple of decades.

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However you, in five months, have grasped the concepts and techniques of Aikido enough to judge it against other systems. It doesn't matter if what you say is true or not. You just don't have the time in to make that call. Keep training and come back in a couple of decades.

5 months isn't much, but don't you think a couple of decades is a bit too long before someone can develop an opinion? I've only been doing martial arts for about a decade, but I feel like I know enough about the arts I've studied to discuss them on a technical level.

[Hedgehogey]

Talking about the ancient wise secret masters and how you can't judge until you've studied for thirty years is a way of placing yourself beyond falsifiability.

[kotbegemot]

There is no need to state 'It is just my opinion' repeatedly as a defense. We can all safely assume it is your opinion since you are the one typing it. Saying it is 'just your opinion' will not cause others to stop typing posts that challenge that opinion.

'Daito Ryu' is a broad net. Which 'Daito Ryu' association ranks your instructors? Roppokai? Takumakai? Who are some of the notable US figures in the organization?

What daito ryu techniques did you make use of or find to be most effective to defend yourself when you were 'jumped' in the town in which you live?

[Nefron]

5-7 seven months is not enough time to understand Aikido technique enough to be rating how practical it is for self defense. Irimi Nage has been called the twenty year throw. Why?I was told, O'Sensei spent twenty years perfecting the technique, till he was satisfied with it. However you, in five months, have grasped the concepts and techniques of Aikido enough to judge it against other systems. It doesn't matter if what you say is true or not. You just don't have the time in to make that call. Keep training and come back in a couple of decades.

I have been taught harai goshi in the first weeks of my Ju Jitsu training, and after a few months I could throw other noobs on a regular basis with it. It was far from perfect, but I could see then that it is going to work if I keep practicing it.

My coach who has worked 15 years on the same technique, can throw other fighters who are on his skill level, and he can drive me through the mat if he wants.

If you need decades to start using a technique effectively, you are doing something wrong.

[Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs]

@ the OP, here's some info on Aikido and Aiki Ju Jutsu from two posters that know a lot more than you:

Pre-war Aikido (which is generally considered the more practical age of the art) was more or less Daito ryu aikijujutsu and thus not as flowery. Also consider some of his famous early students who branched off from his school: Gozo Shioda , Kenji Tomiki, and Minoru Mochizuki. All of them were proficient at Judo (and other arts) and Ueshiba's Daito-ryu was not their sole source of martial knowledge.
They all had done 'alive' training in jujutsu, and Ueshiba's Daito-ryu was an enhancement to their overall knowledge and skill. These were experienced martial artists who already had a good grappling base. Aikido alone wasn't their only trick in their bag but an extra tool. And yes, if you take it as such and add it to what you know it can be used in an alive environment. Roy Dean is probably one of the better examples of this I can think of (black belt in Aikido and BJJ), but I have personally seen and been able to use some aikido/aikijujutsu moves while rolling in bjj. They are not what I go to first, but knowing how to do kotegaeshi for example has been a neat supplement to my established base grappling styles that every now and then takes someone off guard.
Only practicing aikido moves in resistance training isn't going to make you into a well rounded grappler for the most part, but if you already are doing a more well rounded style it can be of benefit just like it was to Ueshiba's early students.

Ippon.
Takeda and Ueshiba had a delivery system (Sumo, Judo, military combatives, classical kenjutsu & jujutsu...), their pre-war students had a delivery system (Sumo, Judo, Kendo, classical kenjutsu & jujutsu), some of their post-war students had a a delivery system or crosstrained, 60's hippies, well... that's another different story.
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[Kintanon]

First off, I stated it was an opinion. Secondly, I wrote this was based off my experience, and never claimed to be a pro or anything. I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't match yours.

Ahh, you are one of those people laboring under the delusion that since it's an opinion it can't be wrong. I hate to disabuse you of your hippy self esteem bullshit notions.

Holding an opinion which is not backed up by some kind of verifiable evidence is a stupid thing to do, and if your opinion is contradicted by the prevailing body of evidence it makes your opinion WRONG.

[BKR]

Ahh, you are one of those people laboring under the delusion that since it's an opinion it can't be wrong. I hate to disabuse you of your hippy self esteem bullshit notions.

Holding an opinion which is not backed up by some kind of verifiable evidence is a stupid thing to do, and if your opinion is contradicted by the prevailing body of evidence it makes your opinion WRONG.

This should be a sticky.

Ben

[Ignorami]

I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't match yours.

Firstly, welcome to Bullshido. It's nice to have another Aiki type on the forum.

I've been doing Aikido for 20+ years myself, and the best advice I can offer is don't be precious about your opinions of the art. Not only does my opinion of Aikido not match a lot of other people's - it doesn't match my own opinion at 7 months, or my different opinions at 5 years, 10 years etc.

If you enjoy what you do, that's great, but if someone thinks it sucks, listen to why. Test it, and if they are right you have an opportunity to fix it.

If you like Aiki arts, and it's important to you that they be effective, train them in a way that makes them effective. Not just for your own good, but for the good of those arts.

With Aiki arts being practiced the way usually are, most of the help you will get with that will come from people in other arts.

I won't say STFU - I say post your thoughts and get flamed. (Almost) everyone here that calls you a twat will do it in a paragraph that has otherwise sound advice/criticism.

And for Christ's sake, cross-train in areas that Aikido/Aikijitsu is weak at.

[Epeeist]

Speaking of delivery system I always kind of wanted to get into aikido but I figured I would be better off doing judo ( I wrestled from elementary school through sophomore/junior year of high school) and keeping up my striking arts and then doing aikido as sort of a "master class" after I get my judo shodan and have an alive delivery system. I don't know if that's stupid but that's the current plan.

[Ignorami]

Sounds good to me.

I've done it arse-backwards. Loads of Aikido, and now trying to put together a delivery system via Kali and MT.

[Oonjuk]

Sounds good to me.

I've done it arse-backwards. Loads of Aikido, and now trying to put together a delivery system via Kali and MT.

I think that's what happens a lot with many aiki-type guys like us. We do it backwards and realize something is lacking and start doing something like Judo or BJJ, and facepalm ourselves thinking "Why didn't I start off with Judo or BJJ before getting into Aikido?"

[RaiNnyX4]

Yeah, pretty much me too.

Aikido -> Judo -> BJJ -> Naginata