@Aikido/Aikijujutsu Practicality

[Mister]

On the upside for using that video... Nishio was a Kodokan Judo 4th dan, and saw enough value in Aikido to make it his primary art.

Also a 4th Dan in Shindo Jinen Ryu Karate, and an all round just sexy fellow.

[FinalLegion]

[QUOTE=Mister;2608243]

The video assumes that the first two strikes will soften your opponent up or distract them and make it easier for you to actually do the technique. It assumes that an untrained opponent who just took a hit in the face will be compliant because hes either knocked the hell out or distracted by trying to block it.

That's not so impractical, is it?

It's impractical to assume anything about what your opponent is going to do or not do.

The "Karate Chop" or the shape of uke's hand isn't the point of the attack, the attack angle is what the instructor is trying to demonstrate. In other words, a large haymaker (seen it in real fights, many many times, but I have no proof) would have the same principle as the "Karate Chop".

That's just the point...it's conditioning the student to respond to some wild and undisciplined attack. If the uke was to come in, with some speed, and threw, say...a reverse punch or right cross...or a straight jab punch...something more focused and disciplined...then I'd be more inclined to say there's some value in this demonstration.

[Mister]

[QUOTE=FinalLegion;2608246]

It's impractical to assume anything about what your opponent is going to do or not do.



That's just the point...it's conditioning the student to respond to some wild and undisciplined attack. If the uke was to come in, with some speed, and threw, say...a reverse punch or right cross...or a straight jab punch...something more focused and disciplined...then I'd be more inclined to say there's some value in this demonstration.

You also assume that a random guy on the street will know martial arts and throw a jab or even knows what a jab is.

From what I've seen in street fights (which I have no proof of) no jabs or stances or crosses, hooks, uppercuts or anything else resembling martial arts for that matter are used.

Is it so impractical to assume that most people don't know martial arts?

[captainbirdseye]

You also assume that a random guy on the street will know martial arts and throw a jab or even knows what a jab is.

From what I've seen in street fights (which I have no proof of) no jabs or stances or crosses, hooks, uppercuts or anything else resembling martial arts for that matter are used.

Is it so impractical to assume that most people don't know martial arts?

Why would I waste my time learning to defend myself against someone I can already win against? Surely better to train to beat people that are good at fighting?

[FinalLegion]

[QUOTE=Mister;2608247]

You also assume that a random guy on the street will know martial arts and throw a jab or even knows what a jab is.

From what I've seen in street fights (which I have no proof of) no jabs or stances or crosses, hooks, uppercuts or anything else resembling martial arts for that matter are used.

Is it so impractical to assume that most people don't know martial arts?

It's impractical to condition students to expect that any opponent they face is going to attack them with all the finesse of a flailing monkey.

[The Juggernoob]

Why would I waste my time learning to defend myself against someone I can already win against? Surely better to train to beat people that are good at fighting?

Could have phrased that better, but you're correct.

[The Juggernoob]

On the upside for using that video... Nishio was a Kodokan Judo 4th dan, and saw enough value in Aikido to make it his primary art.

Because Aikido is easier to do when you're old and feeble.

[Mister]

Why would I waste my time learning to defend myself against someone I can already win against? Surely better to train to beat people that are good at fighting?

Because I don't train to win I train because I enjoy the art itself and I believe there are things I can get out of it.

And who's to say you can already win against an untrained opponent if you are untrained yourself?

If what I see of bad martial arts and criticism of my art make me quit...I'm probably never going to be experienced at any martial art, every art has its criticisms, though I will say Aikido seems higher on the criticism list.

What can I say? It's fun.

[Mister]

[QUOTE=FinalLegion;2608253]

It's impractical to condition students to expect that any opponent they face is going to attack them with all the finesse of a flailing monkey.

No it's not, most people with no martial arts background fight that way from what I've seen.

[Rock Ape]

Retards, the lot of you.

Go pump some iron, or your girlfriend/boyfriend

[Mister]

Come on now, no need to be hostile.

I'm working on the iron pumping thing, AND the girlfriend thing too.

Though I'm getting more success with the iron thing to be honest...

[Ignorami]

Because Aikido is easier to do when you're old and feeble.

Except that he took up Aikido at about age 23.

[Rock Ape]

Come on now, no need to be hostile.

Trust me, that wasn't hostile.

Calling you... a

A FUCKING
COCK SUCKING
AIDS RIDDEN
DOUCHE BAG..

That would be mildly hostile around here.

[The Juggernoob]

Except that he took up Aikido at about age 23.

Then hey, Japan has its own Phil Porter. Good for them.

[captainbirdseye]

Could have phrased that better, but you're correct.

I might be hungover, but thank you.

Because I don't train to win I train because I enjoy the art itself and I believe there are things I can get out of it.

And who's to say you can already win against an untrained opponent if you are untrained yourself?

You train to get better though, right? Training against skilled people will make you better faster.