Can we all just come to an agreement about Krav Maga?

[Gezere]

Gezere, can you point us to any videos on the internet that show the "good Krav Maga"? I have never seen any examples that weren't garbage. If there are people out there practicing it differently, I'd honestly like to see it.

Itay Gil's group is VERY good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U6Sm...eature=related

Amir Perets is good to but unfortunately I thin he unwittingly help contribute to the crappiness of KM in the US. He's probably one of the reasons a lot of KM is just cardio kickboxing because he really believes in being fit to fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0iC1HgHJw

[Devil]

Found some videos of "Dennis Survival Ju Jitsu" aka Hisardut aka Krav Maga (that whole generic term thing again). Reminds me a lot of kyokushin. I cannot say its the best out there but if your training with this level of contact than your certainly not the worse either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCKxf...feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCieA...eature=related

Like you said, it looks like Kyokushin. Kyokushin done by Krav Maga folks is still Kyokushin.

[Permalost]

This is a video of a dude running his trap.

Here he is fighting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTqUgOJiKlc

[HereBeADragon]

Here is a decent Kapap video. Shows some sparring and drilling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRm-W...eature=related

[Gezere]

I'd have to say yes and no to this one. In America Krav is krap for the most part. BUT Krav Maga is also as I understand it an umbrella term like kung fu. Krav also covers Kapap and Hisardut. The "Krav Maga" classes in the US are basicly as much bullshit as a generic "kung fu" class is in the US. Now if your in Israel you stand a better chance of finding quality instruction but if you look for specific names like Hisardut you stand a good chance of finding a good school in the US. Like many other art it comes down to lineage. Are you training with someone who received their training in Israel and actually knows what he or she is doing or are you training from a karate guy that did a weekend cert so he could call is bullshit Krav Maga? Makes a significant difference.

GOD I got into a huge argument on KFM with a woman who got a weekend cert in KM. She was preaching all this BS and I kept telling her she was wrong. She couldn't accept that because she was a badass KM instructor. I told her she didn't learn anything in a weekend would out do my decades of kicking ass. That didn't compute with her.

[HereBeADragon]

Like you said, it looks like Kyokushin. Kyokushin done by Krav Maga folks is still Kyokushin.

Mauy Thai and American Kickboxing are recognized as two different arts. Yet they both use similar techniques and rules. Does this invalidate either art?

[Devil]

Itay Gil's group is VERY good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U6Sm...eature=related

Amir Perets is good to but unfortunately I thin he unwittingly help contribute to the crappiness of KM in the US. He's probably one of the reasons a lot of KM is just cardio kickboxing because he really believes in being fit to fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0iC1HgHJw

I like the stuff in the first video. It's the first time I've ever seen Krav Maga trained that way. Not impressed with the second video.

Back to the first guy - poked around his youtube videos. It looks like he does a lot of good training. But there's also no doubt he's contributed to KM crappiness as well. He also demonstrates a lot of the dead Uke stuff.

Now, I'm sure it's not all his fault. Probably all the pussies that are too nutless to do real training like in the first video latch on to the demo stuff and that becomes 90% of what they do. Unfortunately from what I've seen, training like in the first video is the exception, not the rule.

Thanks for the vid. It was good to see. And I stand by my assertion that Krav Maga is shit.

[Devil]

Here he is fighting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTqUgOJiKlc

That's great, but this has nothing to do with Krav Maga. The guy also has been training MMA for a long time. I know a ninjer that competes in MMA too. He's also a BJJ purple and trains MMA. That doesn't validate ninjutsu.

[Devil]

Here is a decent Kapap video. Shows some sparring and drilling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRm-W...eature=related

What you've got is bullshit mixed with good training. What's obvious in the video is that the better the training is that they're doing, the less it looks like the shit they're teaching.

[judoka_uk]

Itay Gil's group is VERY good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U6Sm...eature=related

That looked like crappling combined with the common sense of 'get the fuck away from the man with the knife and shoot him.

Then again a soldier with a side arm attacked by a guy with a knife is basically going to try and crapple his way to a safe distance and shoot the guy, so I don't know what else I was expecting really.

[Devil]

Mauy Thai and American Kickboxing are recognized as two different arts. Yet they both use similar techniques and rules. Does this invalidate either art?

Of course not. But if you spend half your training time doing full contact fighting and half doing Dillmanesque bullshit, the bullshit half doesn't cease to be bullshit. It just means you cut your good training time in half.

[HereBeADragon]

Of course not. But if you spend half your training time doing full contact fighting and half doing Dillmanesque bullshit, the bullshit half doesn't cease to be bullshit. It just means you cut your good training time in half.

I would have to agree with that. What in your experience with Krav Maga would you describe as Dillmanesque?

[Devil]

I would have to agree with that. What in your experience with Krav Maga would you describe as Dillmanesque?

Bad guy attacks with one technique, then turns into a dead fish while good guy unleashes a torrent of baddassery. No different than Dillman. No different than Hatsumi.

[Devil]

So, the answer to your question, Sirc, is no. We can't all come to an agreement.

Hummus anyone?

[Gezere]

Unfortunately from what I've seen, training like in the first video is the exception, not the rule.

Its the rule for the professionals taught by professionals. The excepting is the civilians make believing they are the professionals. If you look up any IDF Krav training you will see some hard training. You look up ATA Krav training.......