Can we all just come to an agreement about Krav Maga?

[Rzero]

Christ why the hell am I even arguing on bullshido? Thats the equivalent of trying to debate on /b/.

[It is Fake]

Why would I want to defend krav maga? I like it but I dont feel the need to be 'loyal' to it. It's a tool for self defense and a fun hobby, nothing more.

I cant stop you from thinking it's shit. Nor do I care if you do. Im just giving my opinion.

Waaaaahhhhhhhh Where did I say it was shit exactly? That's twice in your last few posts where you tried to put words in my mouth.

Yes, you are defending it because, you keep trying to explain its validity when someone questions you or a training method.

Deal with it.

I have. You still have yet to "deal with it" as any adversity always causes you to resort too insulting bullshido.

[donoraen]

Christ why the hell am I even arguing on bullshido? Thats the equivalent of trying to debate on /b/.

You have obviously never tried to debate on /b/.

[Moenstah]

Absolutely. Fortunately my KM school never made such claims or garantees (yet). KM is still new for the Netherlands. McDojoism hasnt sunk its teeth in it (yet).

I hear other stories; one instructor tried to draft one of my friends into the ikmf (i believe) make him an instructor asap apart from other money orientated stories. You're being a tad bit optimistic on this one. But hey, everyone has freedom of speech

oh btw after three months, you've only learned to make a front kick to the knees? geez.

[It is Fake]

You must remember McDojos, according to everyone in every other country, only exist in America.

[War Wizard]

You have obviously never tried to debate on /b/.

Ha. First thought was "Well obviously not, nobody's used the N word yet on here..."

[Ashkuff]

Hmm, a persuasive point of view. Er, may be not.

[Laughs Out Loud]
Just tossing ideas around, boss.
Heh. Not lookin to persuade anybody.

--- Ashkuff | http://www.ashkuff.com

[Nefron]

No, just giving my opinion. And comparing KM with WC is just low.

How come?

[aiyer]

You must remember McDojos, according to everyone in every other country, only exist in America.

If the Netherlands are like Belgium, which I imagine it is, then the chance of a McDojo is slim for the simple reason that there is no money in martial arts. There are barely any full time instructors. Nearly all trainers have a 9to5 job and then also teach their art more for a hobby then for profit. For example, my BJJ training costs 200 euro a year and I pay 320 euro a year for savate,shootfighting+fitness. So yeah, I can imagine that even in KM the level of McDojo is low around here.

edit: I checked the prices of the local KM club: it's 75 euro a year and 28 euro insurance so I wouldn't put that under McDojo either.

[excludedmiddle]

If the Netherlands are like Belgium, which I imagine it is, then the chance of a McDojo is slim for the simple reason that there is no money in martial arts.

A few weeks ago I was explaining to a guy from Amsterdam that they have the best Muay Thai around, and he informed me that Muay Thai could not possibly work in the streets because they train to fight in the ring. He said he does Wing Chun which is super deadly and only for the streets. He explained that they only sparred light contact because going beyond that with Wing Chun would be too deadly.

Now, I think to be a Mcdojo they would have to charge something like 150 euros or higher a month and force you to buy their over-priced training gear and uniforms, but you can at least be sure that bullshido exists everywhere, including the Netherlands.

[aiyer]

A few weeks ago I was explaining to a guy from Amsterdam that they have the best Muay Thai around, and he informed me that Muay Thai could not possibly work in the streets because they train to fight in the ring. He said he does Wing Chun which is super deadly and only for the streets. He explained that they only sparred light contact because going beyond that with Wing Chun would be too deadly.

Now, I think to be a Mcdojo they would have to charge something like 150 euros or higher a month and force you to buy their over-priced training gear and uniforms, but you can at least be sure that bullshido exists everywhere, including the Netherlands.

Yep, Bullshido exists everywhere. Which is why I adressed McDojo. I've my share seen chi/ki knockout practitioners here as well. People everywhere love to believe that some super secret technique will win them all their fights, especially if that super secret technique doesn't require sweating and aching due to training.

[It is Fake]

then the chance of a McDojo is slim for the simple reason that there is no money in martial arts. There are barely any full time instructors. Nearly all trainers have a 9to5 job and then also teach their art more for a hobby then for profit.

Yes and a large amount of schools are run this way in America. I think people would be stunned at how much an actual Mcdojo makes. There were roughly 20 schools and college campus programs in my old McDojo. 4 made a profit 2 were profitable. All the instructors had outside jobs.

edit: I checked the prices of the local KM club: it's 75 euro a year and 28 euro insurance so I wouldn't put that under McDojo either.

I know everyone fixates on price, but that isn't the only thing that makes up a McDojo. My old school was dirt cheap in America. It still is now, even if you consider the extra classes and fees.

[Gustard]

Nah - Im pretty sure if it was completely innefective they wouldnt teach it to the Israeil special forces, Mossad and intelligence operatives around the world. The thing is if someones got a gun or a knife pretty much any martial art is useless - but Krav Maga is probably your best bet - ceratainly MMA isnt going to help you disarm someone. Just because somethings useless for MMA doesnt mean it its useless for other applications. Point in case - I was looking on the police forum and many of them swear by Aikido and JJJ wrist locks for subduing criminals - these martial arts are next to useless for MMA.

[Iainkelt]

Nah - Im pretty sure if it was completely innefective they wouldnt teach it to the Israeil special forces, Mossad and intelligence operatives around the world. The thing is if someones got a gun or a knife pretty much any martial art is useless - but Krav Maga is probably your best bet - ceratainly MMA isnt going to help you disarm someone. Just because somethings useless for MMA doesnt mean it its useless for other applications. Point in case - I was looking on the police forum and many of them swear by Aikido and JJJ wrist locks for subduing criminals - these martial arts are next to useless for MMA.

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[Gustard]

I just find it hard to believe that Jews would learn a martial art to defend themselves against fascists in WW2 if it was complete Bullshido. I find it even harder to believe that the IDF would still be using it now if it were useless. Anyway here are two threads on the UK police forum , Trad Jujitsu/BJJ (though they make the point being on the floor is not good for a policeman) seems to be the most popular but Aikido and Krav maga also seem to be viewed favourably :

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/inde..._1#entry257710

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/inde..._1#entry364829