A theory and an experiment

[DCS]

In Roy Dean's (BJJ Black Belt) "Art of the Wristlock" DVD there are some interesting approaches to wristlocking.

[judoka_uk]

[The_Beak]

Kuk Sool Won has a set of techniques for defending against clothing grips (JUDO?!?).

So far I have been able to land some variation of the lock at 1:52 but It wasn't during a tournament. Most of those look Damn near impossible so if you could make them work you'd have to be spiderman or something.

Also the Z lock from inside someone's Guard but I haven't really played around with wrist locks since leaving the Won.

Good Luck. Post Vids

[Styygens]

To elaborate, my books on tai chi, jujitsu, hwa rang do and shaolin are all the same book. My sambo overview, which is unfortunately in Russian, is the same. I can take pages from one and insert them into another without issue. These are also the same locks I learned in hapkido, sanuces ryu, FMA seminars, and various self defense classes. Joint locking is joint locking.

What? No Booj?

Srsly, if I understand your plans correctly, good luck. I'll be interested in seeing what develops. Subscribe.

[goodlun]

This is funny and interesting.
A quick story, at my last class another white belt had my back but I had managed to get myself into a relatively safe position but I could not break his leg hooks or finish getting my back to the ground but I did some how manage to extend one of his seat belt arms out straight so I wrist locked him. Wasn't super effective but it got enough reaction out of him so that I could finally break his hooks. Once again I doubt its effectiveness at higher levels but it did the trick.

[It is Fake]

Most of us know he is a BJJ Brown Belt.

So, it falls into the trifecta that upsets everyone Judo, BJJ, or Muay Thai.

[Bneterasedmynam]

If you mean small joint manipulations, aren't those locks banned from most of the competition rulesets? It would be cool to pressure test those techniques in randori with agreeable partners, though.

I think the only part that's really banned is just the finger attacks wrist locks are usually allowed but I'm not sure how you would do one since most events they use fight gloves and taped hands.

[Bneterasedmynam]

Doesn't hapkido use alot of arm and shoulder locks too? Those might work pretty good in competition.

[JordanT]

Most of us know he is a BJJ Brown Belt.

So, it falls into the trifecta that upsets everyone Judo, BJJ, or Muay Thai.

Thats the idea.

[BackFistMonkey]

Thats the idea.

So you're picking up Judo to back up and fill out the wrist locks you learned from BJJ?

Not sure if I am following all this.

[danno]

it's just very hard to pull off a wrist lock on experience grapplers.

but it's not like people aren't trying it. i wristlock people in training from time to time, and the last time i got wrist locked myself was about a year ago, which would be about the 3rd time in my life i've been on the receiving end.

in my opinion, it's just very low percentage. unless they're drunk or a hippy tied to a tree or something. so i disagree with your premise that it just fell out of favour somehow.

but i'm interested to find out how your experiment goes. good luck.

[Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs]

It's not about the evolution of Judo to BJJ by the Gracies, since they used
the same trainingsmethods as Jigoro Kano. They just shifted the focus more
to groundfighting.

It's about the trainingmethods that Jigoro Kano used to create Judo
out of Koryo JuJutsu styles and you are curious how a small circle
JuJutsu style would evolve if these trainingmethods were used.

It has been done: Taiho Jutsu a.k.a. Tokyo Police Aikido. Unfortunally
you can only train it if you are a Tokyo LEO cadet.

The "smallest" joints that are legal to manipulate in BJJ competitions are
wrists and anckles, but in most competitions it is only legal from the blue
belt level. There are exceptions where wristlocks are legal in white belt competitions,
but they are rare.

[JordanT]

Wrist locks are always legal at white belt. Straight ankle is rather dubious as the rules aren't in english. I don't intend on importing just the SJM by the way, but the older armlocks as well.

[2groggy]

Wrist locks are always legal at white belt. Straight ankle is rather dubious as the rules aren't in english.

Am I correct to presume that you mean BJJ ruleset?

I believe that judo rules don't allow any locks other than elbow or shoulder locks masquerading as elbow locks. Clarification from a more experienced judo player would be appreciated.

[PointyShinyBurn]

Wrist locks are always legal at white belt. Straight ankle is rather dubious as the rules aren't in english.

Other way round, straight ankle is always legal but wrist locks are out at white (in IBJJF rules). I asked this specifically on an official ref course.

Are you going to be trying to nail standing armlocks on dudes in grappling competitions, essentially?