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  • SifuJason
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    Because "the girl" tends to be super serious when in front of a camera.

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  • Bluto Blutarsky
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    you know,

    sorry if this has nothign to do with the general tone of the thread so far, but it is tangentially related.

    how come the girl in the vid looks like someone just killed her best friend. if someone is using the vid for marketing purposes you wouild think they would have thier co-instructor/partner/uke, whatever have a little more enthusiasm and at least look like she is interested in doing the demo/kata/porno/instructionary video, etc.

    i mean its martial arts so smiling faces and dancing around in circles is not appropriate (although there are vids ive seen that people do pretty much the equivalent).

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  • Gezere
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    Originally posted by superninjagod View Post
    I would have to disagree with you on that one. Before I sent out my last post I found one of my trainer blades and repeated stabbed myself in the thigh with increased pressure every time. I did not leave so much as a bruise. That being said the knife was a thicker knife to begin with, I have seen some of the spiderco knife be very narrow.
    You are not going to stab yourself as hard as someone else will, even in a training situation, unless your have some mental issues.

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  • SifuJason
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    Originally posted by superninjagod View Post
    Well the downward thrust with the knife in reverse grip is considered the most powerful knife stab.....
    It's also one of the stupidest and easiest to combat grips.


    My problem with rattan is that it can splinter with repeated drilling. Some people don't tape their sticks and I've had splinters from Rattan after people have drilled intensively with them and then done some sort of take down/arm bar involving a stick technique with me.
    As others said, rattan splinters a lot less, and why is your instructor allowing people to go around with untaped sticks?
    Last edited by SifuJason; 2/16/2011 5:55pm, .

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  • Permalost
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    Originally posted by superninjagod View Post
    Well the downward thrust with the knife in reverse grip is considered the most powerful knife stab.....
    I guess some consider that, but the reason why is that you can drop your bodyweight into it and incorporate the muscles of the legs and torso, which I figure you're not doing when poking your leg. More to the point though was the leg as a target. For sparring I like to use rubber knives and fencing masks with a bib because one of the main counters and followup attacks I do is a straight thrust to the base of the throat (forward grip). A fencing bib doesn't protect against this kind of impact well if you're using a wood or aluminum trainer (or especially a ground down steel knife). We've also had straight thrusts with hard trainers dent the fencing masks in on straight and curved thrusts, so we decided softer/padded trainers were best for that kind of training. At the last Dog Brothers gathering, I picked up a kind of trainer they're fond of, and it's made out of a hard plastic core with hard padding on the outside. Here it is on their website:
    http://dogbrothers.com/store/product...9573b3d47a827f

    My problem with rattan is that it can splinter with repeated drilling. Some people don't tape their sticks and I've had splinters from Rattan after people have drilled intensively with them and then done some sort of take down/arm bar involving a stick technique with me.
    because of how rattan is structured, it doesn't break catastrophically and when it gets shredded from lots of impact it tends to get fiberous and whip-like, not splintery like wood. Compared to wood, splintering isn't a concern I have about rattan.
    Last edited by Permalost; 2/16/2011 4:53pm, .

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  • donoraen
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    Originally posted by superninjagod View Post
    Well the downward thrust with the knife in reverse grip is considered the most powerful knife stab.....

    Dude it's a knife, if you need extra power to stick it into someone you are doing something wrong.

    edit:Also, I would have to imagine you stabbing super hard into the wrong area will get your knife stuck on some rib bones.
    Last edited by donoraen; 2/16/2011 5:05pm, .

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  • superninjagod
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    Originally posted by Permalost View Post
    I don't know about you, but the knifework I do isn't centered on tricep-driven leg stabs.
    Well the downward thrust with the knife in reverse grip is considered the most powerful knife stab.....

    Originally posted by Permalost View Post
    Wood, as opposed to rattan, is dangerous to spar with partly because it can break into very pointy shapes. I was sparring with a short bokken against rattan sticks, and at some point during an exchange, about six inches of wood came off like a big splinter, leaving my weapon ultra-pointy. If you don't notice it right away or it happens in a fray, you might accidentally stab your partner with a pointy piece of wood.
    My problem with rattan is that it can splinter with repeated drilling. Some people don't tape their sticks and I've had splinters from Rattan after people have drilled intensively with them and then done some sort of take down/arm bar involving a stick technique with me.

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  • SifuJason
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    Ya; not that it can't be done, but if you start with a sharp one and grind it down, it's not nearly safe as a knife designed as a trainer.

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  • donoraen
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    Fair enough, I guess there is only so much you can ground down on some of the thinner knives.

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  • SifuJason
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    Originally posted by donoraen View Post
    I would say it doesn't make them safe, but it definitely makes them a lot safer. I've sparred with aluminum trainers which are essentially ground down knives without any injury. Granted there was potential for injury, but with a live blade it would have been a guarantee.
    Aluminum trainers are not ground down knives; the "edged" surface is much wider and blunter, which makes them safer, and the point is much more rounded (typically speaking, of course.

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  • Permalost
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    Originally posted by superninjagod View Post
    I would have to disagree with you on that one. Before I sent out my last post I found one of my trainer blades and repeated stabbed myself in the thigh with increased pressure every time. I did not leave so much as a bruise. That being said the knife was a thicker knife to begin with, I have seen some of the spiderco knife be very narrow.
    I don't know about you, but the knifework I do isn't centered on tricep-driven leg stabs.

    As for sparring with wooden weapons (Shinai's excluded) it can be dangerous. I personally would rather pad the stick and leave the body unprotected than pad the body and leave the stick unprotected.
    Wood, as opposed to rattan, is dangerous to spar with partly because it can break into very pointy shapes. I was sparring with a short bokken against rattan sticks, and at some point during an exchange, about six inches of wood came off like a big splinter, leaving my weapon ultra-pointy. If you don't notice it right away or it happens in a fray, you might accidentally stab your partner with a pointy piece of wood.

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  • DCS
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    ^Pushups

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  • Snake Plissken
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    I watched it twice and not cuz SifuJason.

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  • It is Fake
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    Originally posted by DCS View Post
    I've just seen the clip.

    How can someone can say "OMG safety standards went through the window!!!" after seeing what and how is demonstrated? I can't believe the OP was being serious.
    Yes, and it makes me wonder how many people watched the actual video.

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  • donoraen
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    Originally posted by SifuJason View Post
    Actually, grinding said knives don't make them that much.
    I would say it doesn't make them safe, but it definitely makes them a lot safer. I've sparred with aluminum trainers which are essentially ground down knives without any injury. Granted there was potential for injury, but with a live blade it would have been a guarantee.

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