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  • MMAMickey
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    The bench press is no different to any other upperbody pressing motion, and according to the way most powerlifters actually do it, DOES involve more than just the upperbody.

    If you ignore the upperbody compound lifts, you will get pwned by someone who doesn't.

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  • edselaquino
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    Originally posted by Hertzyscowicz View Post
    Actually, the sport properly known as "weightlifting" has a greater focus on explosiveness and power than Powerlifting. On the other hand, you might find it interesting that IPF do not share your views on the bench press, and that both they and the IWF rather disagree with you about the snatch and the clean and press.
    In my post replace "POWERLIFTING" with "OLYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING".

    you got me there hertz. I used the wrong terms.

    I'm a big fan of olympic weightlifting. Most people when talking about weightlifting wont be referring to this.

    Just wanted to make a point that most people when thinking of weightlifting will be referring to the type to gain aesthetic shape and size.

    and in regards to the bench, in my own opinion i don't believe it benefits a martial artist to be able to bench that much. I'd much rather be cleaning and pressing using my whole body in unison than isolating the upperbody.
    Last edited by edselaquino; 2/17/2011 7:07pm, . Reason: i f'ed up.

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  • Hertzyscowicz
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    Actually, the sport properly known as "weightlifting" has a greater focus on explosiveness and power than Powerlifting. On the other hand, you might find it interesting that IPF do not share your views on the bench press, and that both they and the IWF rather disagree with you about the snatch and the clean and press.
    Last edited by Hertzyscowicz; 2/17/2011 4:13pm, .

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  • edselaquino
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    to the op,

    will weightlifting translate to knock out power?

    short answer no.

    If you want to know what will increase your over all power you can look to "POWER LIFTING" exercises.

    If you don't know the difference i'll give you a brief.

    Weightlifting is typically used to increase the overall size of a person's muscles. Big muscles don't always translate into stronger ones, its mainly just a perception. weight used in weightlifting is roughly around 50 to 75% of your max lifting capacity and the rep range is between 6-8 for upper body and 12 - 20 for lowerbody exercises. bicep curls is a very good example of this.

    Powerlifting focuses on lifting a large amount of weight using a compound exercise type of lift. examples of this would be Clean and press, snatch, deadlifts etc typically you use 80 to 100% of your 1 rep maximum. Rep range is usually between 1 to 6 max.

    Benchpress can be considered a powerlifting exercise but in my opinion because it does not involve the lower body like the above exercises i disagree.

    Someone also mentioned plyometric training. Plyometrics also increase overall power, but it is a highly advanced type of training that involves quite alot of stress on joints and other soft tissues. As a general rule you should have had atleast 2 years of power training before you attempt to do any plyometric exercises. Even then you should do specific tests to determine if your body is capable of supporting such dynamic exercises.

    There are a lot of training methodologies that can increase your overall conditioning. ( i say condiitioning because strength, power, endurance etc etc all belong to different categories)

    If you really want to improve go and see a strength and conditioning specialist in a gym. You won't get the proper advice from people on this forum, nor will they put you on a proper program that will teach you what you really want to know.

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  • MMAMickey
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    Originally posted by tao.jonez View Post
    Gynastica Natural / Plyometrics type training is what you need to develop KO power.

    Explosiveness is where a KO comes from, not pushing power.
    I'm not sure if you're being provocative or just ignorant. Yes, the methods you mentioned are another way to increase power.. But to limit the benefits of weight training to 'pushing power' (which you have failed to recognise opposes your point) screams logical fallacy.

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  • RWaggs
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    Originally posted by kenpospirit View Post
    Professional sports have always complained that strength training in the weight room doesn't produce as much athletic performance improvement as they would guess.
    Oh yeah, totally.



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  • Permalost
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    Originally posted by kenpospirit View Post
    Professional sports have always complained that strength training in the weight room doesn't produce as much athletic performance improvement as they would guess.
    What?

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  • kenpospirit
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    Originally posted by Like_A_Boss View Post
    strength training doesn’t do anything except make him look more attractive.
    I think GSP's comment had more to do with the answer to why he doesn't bulk up even more. Professional sports have always complained that strength training in the weight room doesn't produce as much athletic performance improvement as they would guess.

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  • alex
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    Originally posted by Gabetuno View Post
    If you don't know the difference between a weight lifting routine and a strength/conditioning routine, then you really need to shut the fuck up and train.

    Please, read this sentence carefully. If it applies to you, take it personally.
    what has this got to do with anything we are talking about? quiet in the cheap seats. nobody is talking about a "weightlifting routine" here.

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  • Gabetuno
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    If you don't know the difference between a weight lifting routine and a strength/conditioning routine, then you really need to shut the fuck up and train.

    Please, read this sentence carefully. If it applies to you, take it personally.

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  • Like_A_Boss
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    Originally posted by Alex View Post
    what i dont get though is that i recently watched a video of GSP's training where he was doing various weight exercises, and his coach was talking about the benefits of them. i mean the guy is straight wrong from a scientific perspective, and i think in this article he is either fucking with Rogan, or there is some kind of language problem happening. or he is just not as bright as previously imagined.

    in fact, if you go look on youtube he has a bunch of vids of his strength and conditioning training. on the TUF he coached he had guys doing S and C. so yeah, i would completely disregard that interview, i get the feeling there was a misinterpretation somewhere there.
    I was thinking the exact same thing, here’s a guy who has a vigorous strength and condition program probably one of the best in the world, and then turns around and says that strength training doesn’t do anything except make him look more attractive.


    I reckon between him and Silva they are in competition, who can say the most ridiculous thing in an interview.
    Last edited by Like_A_Boss; 2/15/2011 2:07am, . Reason: spelling mistake

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  • Omega Supreme
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    Originally posted by kenpospirit View Post
    I think it has more to do with power, which is work over time. A better way to measure is the height or distance multiplied by mass.
    And there you go.

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  • alex
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    what i dont get though is that i recently watched a video of GSP's training where he was doing various weight exercises, and his coach was talking about the benefits of them. i mean the guy is straight wrong from a scientific perspective, and i think in this article he is either fucking with Rogan, or there is some kind of language problem happening. or he is just not as bright as previously imagined.

    in fact, if you go look on youtube he has a bunch of vids of his strength and conditioning training. on the TUF he coached he had guys doing S and C. so yeah, i would completely disregard that interview, i get the feeling there was a misinterpretation somewhere there.

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  • donoraen
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    Originally posted by newtoMA10 View Post
    thats not what i was saying. I was under the assumption
    that mass+Speed=force(KO power) I was asking that if
    two people have same amount of speed precision (technique)
    and weight that still mass+ speed, even if one person has denser
    muscle mass and one guy has more regular body weigh.

    if there both 200lbs, and ussing X amount of speed
    I was wondering if the weight lifting push strength would help.

    MMAist like GSP have said in interviews with joe rogan that weightlifting doesnt really make
    you hit harder\, so how about you call him an idiot.
    weightlifting not making you hit harder is a big fucking step from two people with the exact same skillset with one being stronger hitting with the same force....

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  • DayOfTheJackass
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    consider not only force, but velocity. And, regarding that helpful snap/corkscrew, consider impulse.

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