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    #31
    Originally posted by MMAMickey View Post
    A big problem is that grappling is very unspectacular to watch. Unless you have good knowledge of what is going on you're gonna be pretty bored.. and even amongst guys who do grapple, would you honestly want to watch a dramatisation of an MMA snoozefest like Koscheck/Daley?

    Boxing, although probably less exciting now in reality, has the potential to be incredibly exciting to the masses when a character story such as Rocky is involved. Even with comedy fighting and KO punches that visibly missed by a mile, there's just something about two men smashing it out that stands head and shoulders above two men humping in terms of movie gold.

    ..But then again I'm pretty sure Brokeback mountain set some box office records, so I could be wrong.
    I see what you mean! but camera angles and effects will fix that :D not to mention I seen the movie "Legendary" about wrestling and It's one of the best grappling movies I'v ever seen yet... that I remember right now.

    I was hoping for there to be a epic high budget film about Judo or JJJ! Imagine a more ancient Japan. the hard wood floors of the DoJo. I would like to see a movie about how harsh it was back then- following a on going conflict with the main character being practically bad at it. who will get better and better at it. but his peers of the Dojo really don't like him. Almost a Karate Kid story. but Darker. it will be all over the top hard slams. along with the traditional styles of training. this will make alot of money. YES!

    I should be a director....

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      #32
      Originally posted by Conde Koma View Post
      We'll see how Matt Hamill's bio-pic turns out, since that's probably the most likely contender as an MMA sport film with a solid story.
      Make me a sandwich.

      Redbelt was garbage, and I didn't even give Never Back Down a chance (due to its similarity to a theoretical Karate Kid/Fast and the Furious

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        #33
        Originally posted by Takeshi View Post
        I was hoping for there to be a epic high budget film about Judo or JJJ! Imagine a more ancient Japan. the hard wood floors of the DoJo. I would like to see a movie about how harsh it was back then- following a on going conflict with the main character being practically bad at it. who will get better and better at it. but his peers of the Dojo really don't like him. Almost a Karate Kid story. but Darker. it will be all over the top hard slams. along with the traditional styles of training. this will make alot of money. YES!
        Hikaru no Go with the ghost of Count Koma living in the mind of a modern Judo white belt? Vignettes of Judo history could be included as Count Koma teaches our hero to appreciate Judo.

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          #34
          Um, there have been some awesome movies about Judo already.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanshiro_Sugata


          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_on_the_Sun
          http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98391

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            #35
            On the subject of grappling being unspectacular, do you guys actually think there could be a way that they could build suspense for a finish, like in a boxing movie, on something like an armbar that would appeal to a wide audience?

            Somehow I just don't see it having the same effect as the tunnel-vision and dulled noise of a rocky fight just as he's about to go down... and then watching his impossible comeback.

            IMO if anyone is going to do an MMA film, they need the action, desperately so. Take a leaf out of Bourne's book

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ4dFcm4ML0
            Thai clinch at 3:40 lol

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              #36
              fighting for chokes are pretty suspenseful, donnie yen's done it twice now, and cagney did it in the fight scene i posted just above you. granted, both were part of a larger fight that included strikes as well, but we're just talking about finishes here.

              if you wanna talk about strictly grappling fight scenes as opposed to strictly striking, no examples immediately spring to mind, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to do. like i said, audience investment is far more important, and if you lay enough groundwork at the start of the film so that no one is lost by the end, it should be easy enough. think about any other sports film where a clever play is pulled off, and no violence is used whatsoever.

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                #37
                Well yeah, the Bourne scene I linked to had a very eventful action scene resulting in a choke, but in those circumstances its the previous action that carries the suspense not the finish.

                Submission finishes are largely uneventful and anti-climactic in comparison to KOs, largely because the finish is slower and less definitive (unless they actually break the limb). I'm hoping someone can make this work in an MMA movie setting. I love choking in RL, I just find it hard to imagine how the tenacity, strength and tactics of fighting for a choke will be portrayed on screen in a way that does it justice.

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                  #38
                  There was a fight scene on Stargate Atlantis where one guy did a flying juji gatame on the bad guy and then snapped the arm. I think Mel Gibson put someone in a triangle choke in a film as well once. And, of course, James Bond has been Ippon seoi nage-ing and Tomoe nage-ing his way through Commies, SPECTRE and others for decades.

                  I doubt we're going to see a fully fledged grappling match in a movie, because it would be boring and many people would just think it was gay. Striking with choke finish is probably going to be the norm for 'realistic' fight scenes.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by judoka_uk View Post
                    I think Mel Gibson put someone in a triangle choke in a film as well once.
                    He did indeed, in Lethal Weapon. Rorion Gracie was a consultant on the film.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSHQHXvaTU

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                      #40
                      Wasn't there a rear naked in Casino Royale in the stairwell fight scene?

                      In relation to the OP I think events in Royce's later career will put a shadow over any attempt to get a blockbuster made.

                      I don't see why a decent Judo film couldn't be made. It has history that general members of the public can get to grips with (no pun, honest) it's an Olympic sport and has the potential to be a good, driven drama.

                      Judo could provide an escape for the young protagonist without getting mushy by following a gritty route such as Ken Loach's Kes rather than a sirupy Karate Kid style. This would have the subject matter taken seriously by the veiwer and there are plenty of Judo experts on hand to ensure that it is well performed in the film. Just a thought.

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                        #41
                        I always liked this fight, and Hulk Hogan invented grappling or something:

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SluywQ-d8w

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                          #42
                          Well, it looks like the next big budget "fight movie" to be released will be boxing.
                          Boxing machines to be specific. Real Steel, starring Wolverine. Apparently Hugh has been training with Sugar Ray Leonard for the past year or so to get into "fight shape".






                          From Wiki:
                          Real Steel is an upcoming sci-fi action drama film inspired by Richard Matheson's short story "Steel". The story was first adapted for television by Matheson as an episode of The Twilight Zone. The film stars Hugh Jackman, is directed by Shawn Levy and produced by Steven Spielberg and Robert Zemeckis.
                          Hugh Jackman plays Charlie Kenton, a washed-up fighter who lost his chance at a title when 2000-pound, 8-foot-tall steel robots took over the ring. Now nothing but a small-time promoter, Charlie earns just enough money piecing together low-end bots from scrap metal to get from one underground boxing venue to the next. When Charlie hits rock bottom, he reluctantly teams up with his estranged son Max (Dakota Goyo) to build and train a championship contender. As the stakes in the brutal, no-holds-barred arena are raised, Charlie and Max, against all odds, get one last shot at a comeback.
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Steel

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                            #43
                            Fightville

                            Never Back Down 2

                            both star fighters from our gym

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                              #44
                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Back_Down_2

                              MJW returns to coach who, the stars from the first film? Nope, the returning cast member is the nerd.

                              i hope your fighters got paid a lot.

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                                #45
                                They pay you to be in a movie?

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