Gracie Combatives MABS Cull: Why is IiF laughing at my "Paper Tiger" comment?

[CrackFox]

Lets keep this all relative and contain this debate. What is the frame work here. I am assuming that we had to use an amount of force to defend ourselves the cops come and now we have to prove to a jury what we did was self defense. Lets face it if your the victor of a fight most likely the shape of your victim isn't going to be tip top. So the question becomes whats worse some severely battered, someone who had a limb broken, someone who's eye has been gouged out, lets not get into the whole biting thing mentioned by the OP. Lets be honest it also has a lot to do with perceived level of threat. A bar room brawl vs an attempted mugging will make a difference. Obviously their is no clear cut easy answer but some do seem like they are going to get you into a lot more trouble then others if you fail on your defense case.

You said "I'll use judo, it'll be cool cuz judo is the gentle art". I gave an example of a guy who used judo and it didn't work out so cool for him, the cops didn't see it as being all that gentle an art. You started to throw out random quotes and such to confuse the issue. Unfortunately, you ended up confirming my point.

This post:

Fuck it do Judo cause at least then you can BS the jury about how all you did was use there own energy against them and its they got so badly hurt because of the ferocity of their very own attack. I think the average person would eat that shit up.

[SaintHamish]

this thread reminded me of a Las Vegas episode where sam marquez goes to hawaii and ends up partnering with a surf bum lawyer who did his legal degree online over a 12 year period.

goodlun, you are that surf bum.

IIF is sam marquez.

[It is Fake]

In fairness I didn't even touch the acid in the eyes or forms of murder thing myself. Eye gouges and mayhem can be related if we are talking about actually gouging out the eye vs just poking it. The last thing I posted showed that just breaking a limb isn't enough but it can also lead to mayhem charges once again I used it as a matter of fairness since it is what I found I could have just posted the first part but I feel that would have be wrong.

You are now talking about arms. Like Rabbit, you are moving away from the poke vs gouge vs street vs sport debate.

That's what I am talking about. That's how you get labeled. Rabbit is considered a troll. He is one of the few that continues to prove he is one.

Don't go down that rabbit hole.

[goodlun]

So some guy breaks someone's arm in the process of attempting to murder him. (At least that's how it's going to look to the cops) You honestly can't see them going for a mayhem charge at all? You think they'll call it assault, wait 6 months and slap on an additional mayhem charge? You realise that there are people who never recover properly from having their arm broken?

Lets keep this all relative and contain this debate. What is the frame work here. I am assuming that we had to use an amount of force to defend ourselves the cops come and now we have to prove to a jury what we did was self defense. Lets face it if your the victor of a fight most likely the shape of your victim isn't going to be tip top. So the question becomes whats worse some severely battered, someone who had a limb broken, someone who's eye has been gouged out, lets not get into the whole biting thing mentioned by the OP. Lets be honest it also has a lot to do with perceived level of threat. A bar room brawl vs an attempted mugging will make a difference. Obviously their is no clear cut easy answer but some do seem like they are going to get you into a lot more trouble then others if you fail on your defense case.

[goodlun]

Then you would fully research your comments before posting. You are slowly heading into Rabbit land. Post a bunch of stuff and slowly back away rearrange and then change the subject.

I mean we started at eye gouges, went mayhem, moved to forms of murder, and acid in the eye.

We have one Rabbit we don't need two.

In fairness I didn't even touch the acid in the eyes or forms of murder thing myself. Eye gouges and mayhem can be related if we are talking about actually gouging out the eye vs just poking it. The last thing I posted showed that just breaking a limb isn't enough but it can also lead to mayhem charges once again I used it as a matter of fairness since it is what I found I could have just posted the first part but I feel that would have be wrong.

[Snake Plissken]

I feel a new thread, cull and title for trollshido. In the vein of Osaka's Friday night Fight tips thread.

White Rabbit's Sat Night Legal Tips?

oh, damn you're good.
How about:
W. Rabbit's Monday Morning Expert Legal Lawyering

[CrackFox]

So some guy breaks someone's arm in the process of attempting to murder him. (At least that's how it's going to look to the cops) You honestly can't see them going for a mayhem charge at all? You think they'll call it assault, wait 6 months and slap on an additional mayhem charge? You realise that there are people who never recover properly from having their arm broken?

[It is Fake]

I am more interested in the truth then trying to win some internet debate.

Then you would fully research your comments before posting. You are slowly heading into Rabbit land. Post a bunch of stuff and slowly back away rearrange and then change the subject.

I mean we started at eye gouges, went mayhem, moved to forms of murder, and acid in the eye.

We have one Rabbit we don't need two.

[goodlun]

Right so, you're agreeing with me now.

No just presenting the information that I come across. As I read it temporary impairment is not enough but breaking something can be grounds for mayhem. In that particular case since the ankle took 6 months to heal the guy got hit with mayhem on top of his other charges.
I am more interested in the truth then trying to win some internet debate.

[maofas]

White Rabbit's Sat Night Legal Tips?

[CrackFox]

I just can't keep myself out of trollshido, can I?

[It is Fake]

I feel a new thread, cull and title for trollshido. In the vein of Osaka's Friday night Fight tips thread.

[CrackFox]

http://www.shouselaw.com/mayhem.html

ExampleThe California Court of Appeal

Right so, you're agreeing with me now.

[goodlun]

http://www.shouselaw.com/mayhem.html
All "disabilities" are not necessarily synonymous with mayhem. In order for you to be convicted of mayhem for "disabling" a member of a person’s body, you must do more than slightly or temporarily disable that body part.5

Example: Defendant somehow broke the victim’s ankle during the course of raping her. The California Court of Appeal ruled that because the victim’s broken ankle took over six months to heal, it qualified as a sufficient "disability" under Penal Code 203 PC.6

[W. Rabbit]

Ever tried to shave or wipe your ass with a freshly broken dominant arm?
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Ever tried to give yourself "The Stranger" with a freshly broken non-dominant arm?