Gracie Combatives MABS Cull: Why is IiF laughing at my "Paper Tiger" comment?

[goodlun]

Are you going to cite those laws that specifically prohibit eye gouges then?

This is pretty damn funny to me, because the thought of living in a place where they felt the particular need to ban eye gouges in of them selves(most likely as a result of a string of eye gouging) doesn't sound like a good place to live. The worse part is that there probably is a place that specifically does have a law against eye gouging just by virtue of all the silly freaking laws around especially arcane laws the have been carried over.

[Yoj]

You really think there are laws prohibiting gouging people's eyes out or generally ripping them to pieces everywhere in the world? Maybe in your home town/state/country there are...

The law here states you can do anything you fucking like if you are in such danger that it was the only option you had open.

Conversely if you tickled a stranger on the street for no reason they could arguably file assault charges.

Since you are in the US are you suggesting that in a country where lethal force against an intruder in your home is acceptable, eye gouging them for raping you isn't?

[goodlun]

Pick any from the huge pool of laws against assault and battery anywhere in the world, but these laws are not universal worldwide.

You don't think there are bloody to-the-death sports and street fights being fought in Mogadishu this very minute because there is no rule of law?

How naive.

You do know that its post just like this one that cause the shit storm of crap that gets you all that love from the mods?

[CrackFox]

This is pretty damn funny to me, because the thought of living in a place where they felt the particular need to ban eye gouges in of them selves(most likely as a result of a string of eye gouging) doesn't sound like a good place to live.

Yeah I'd hate to live in a place that was so prone to making knee-jerk legislation.

[W. Rabbit]

The law here states you can do anything you fucking like if you are in such danger that it was the only option you had open.

That's for a court to decide.

Conversely if you tickled a stranger on the street for no reason they could arguably file assault charges.

Not arguably, definitely.

Since you are in the US are you suggesting that in a country where lethal force against an intruder in your home is acceptable, eye gouging them for raping you isn't?

No.

[CrackFox]

Ok so cool, you can't cite a law. Eye gouges are not banned from the streets.

[W. Rabbit]

Ok so cool, you can't cite a law. Eye gouges are not banned from the streets.

I never said they were banned anywhere, I said whether or not they were illegal "depends on the country/jurisdiction you are in." which is completely true. The kinds of force allowed for self defense varies greatly from country to country, state to state.

I never said there were laws specifically banning eye gouges, idiot.

[Yoj]

Pick any from the huge pool of laws against assault and battery anywhere in the world, but these laws are not universal worldwide.

You don't think there are bloody to-the-death sports and street fights being fought in Mogadishu this very minute because there is no rule of law?

How naive.

Please don't derail this thread, as a legal expert this should be easy.

Er, no it doesn't.

Feel free to show me anything to prove it.

Or I'll allow showing a list of all the legal ways to assault someone in your country/jurisdiction.

Please cite the local legislation to you which either specifies eye gouges as being illegal, or show the list of legal assaults, or hell, even the list of legal responses to assaults.

[goodlun]

Well in CA instead of assault it is mayhem
CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 203-206.1

203. Every person who unlawfully and maliciously deprives a human
being of a member of his body, or disables, disfigures, or renders it
useless, or cuts or disables the tongue, or puts out an eye, or
slits the nose, ear, or lip, is guilty of mayhem.

205. A person is guilty of aggravated mayhem when he or she
unlawfully, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to
the physical or psychological well-being of another person,
intentionally causes permanent disability or disfigurement of another
human being or deprives a human being of a limb, organ, or member of
his or her body. For purposes of this section, it is not necessary
to prove an intent to kill. Aggravated mayhem is a felony punishable
by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of
parole.

[Yoj]

I never said there were laws specifically banning eye gouges, idiot.

They are however dastardly, cruel, vicious, unnecessary, and thankfully usually illegal for those reasons, either in the ring or outside.

You don't understand acceptable force as seen by the eyes of the law do you?

[CrackFox]

I never said there were laws specifically banning eye gouges, idiot.

So when you said.

[Eye gouges] are however dastardly, cruel, vicious, unnecessary, and thankfully usually illegal for those reasons, either in the ring or outside.

What did you mean by the word "illegal"? I don't understand all these code-words you use.

[It is Fake]

Well in CA instead of assault it is mayhem
CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 203-206.1

203. Every person who unlawfully and maliciously deprives a human
being of a member of his body, or disables, disfigures, or renders it
useless, or cuts or disables the tongue, or puts out an eye, or
slits the nose, ear, or lip, is guilty of mayhem.

205. A person is guilty of aggravated mayhem when he or she
unlawfully, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to
the physical or psychological well-being of another person,
intentionally causes permanent disability or disfigurement of another
human being or deprives a human being of a limb, organ, or member of
his or her body. For purposes of this section, it is not necessary
to prove an intent to kill. Aggravated mayhem is a felony punishable
by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of
parole.

Fixed.
Read that to yourself again.

[Permalost]

If you're looking for laws against eye gouging, you should look to the old South. There's an article on EJMAS about a period of Southern history where teh d3adly was all the rage:
http://ejmas.com/jmanly/articles/200..._gorn_0401.htm

[goodlun]

You don't understand acceptable force as seen by the eyes of the law do you?

In all fairness most people don't and frankly acceptable force as seen be the "eyes of the law" very greatly with who in fact is the DA, who is sitting on the bench and the 12 people whose time your taking up.
Everyone acts like the law is so black and white when it really is sort of kind of a craps shoot.

[W. Rabbit]

So when you said.



What did you mean by the word "illegal"? I don't understand all these code-words you use.

Maybe we had a miscommunication or something.

When I say "usually illegal" I mean "very few instances where it would be legally acceptable".

Ok maybe we got our wires crossed.