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  • hungryjoe
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    It should be noted breaking an arm isn't mayhem, unless you some how managed to destroy the joint to a point that it could not be rehabilitated.
    Ever tried to shave or wipe your ass with a freshly broken dominant arm?

    1st time is mayhem.

    ......disclaimer.....

    Never tried to shave ass.

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  • It is Fake
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    Go read any of our various threads about Martial Arts and the law. See what the lawyers and LEOs say about which art is the best.



























































































    Hint: None.

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  • CrackFox
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    It should be noted breaking an arm isn't mayhem, unless you some how managed to destroy the joint to a point that it could not be rehabilitated.
    Oh really?

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  • goodlun
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    Originally posted by CrackFox View Post
    M Tripp or Aaron Fields, or someone else on here used to tell a story about one of their guys getting involved in a domestic where they ended up single legging a guy, taking mount and then going for some kind of arm lock. They didn't get a tap, so they switched to a choke. Then the cops bust in.

    Turns out the guy on the receiving end hadn't tapped because he didn't have any concept of what a tap-out was. Seems obvious now, but in the heat of the moment, the guy doing the lock didn't realise. So what the cops saw when they arrived was a guy who had just broke somebody's arm (look back at that definition of mayhem, see what it says about that) and was now choking him to death. They were not impressed, to say the least.
    It should be noted breaking an arm isn't mayhem, unless you some how managed to destroy the joint to a point that it could not be rehabilitated.

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  • CrackFox
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    Fuck it do Judo cause at least then you can BS the jury about how all you did was use there own energy against them and its they got so badly hurt because of the ferocity of their very own attack. I think the average person would eat that shit up.
    M Tripp or Aaron Fields, or someone else on here used to tell a story about one of their guys getting involved in a domestic where they ended up single legging a guy, taking mount and then going for some kind of arm lock. They didn't get a tap, so they switched to a choke. Then the cops bust in.

    Turns out the guy on the receiving end hadn't tapped because he didn't have any concept of what a tap-out was. Seems obvious now, but in the heat of the moment, the guy doing the lock didn't realise. So what the cops saw when they arrived was a guy who had just broke somebody's arm (look back at that definition of mayhem, see what it says about that) and was now choking him to death. They were not impressed, to say the least.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by goodlun View Post
    Fuck it do Judo cause at least then you can BS the jury about how all you did was use there own energy against them and its they got so badly hurt because of the ferocity of their very own attack. I think the average person would eat that shit up.
    This is why I like the idea for Judo in self defense situations over some ungodly MA claiming to be able to burst your attackers kidneys with pressure point attacks.

    It's easier to show a jury "watch this video, this is what we do in Judo, nonlethal standing and ground grappling, throws, chokes, and holds", as opposed to the opponent showing the jury a video of your "ninja training" and pointing out how your instructors say "pop their eyeballs out, pull out their tongue, step on it, rip their face off, then check to see if they are dead enough yet." (Kata Dan-te anyone?)

    I will go with Judo for most self defense situations unless I truly feel I need to try to kill my attacker, which would be an ultra rare situation, in my neck of the woods. I'd rather have the PD show up with me standing over a passed out attacker than me standing over some bloody mess with missing eyeballs and claiming "IT WAS SELF DEFENSE!!!!! I SWEAR!!!"
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 11/22/2010 3:33pm, .

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  • goodlun
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    Fuck it do Judo cause at least then you can BS the jury about how all you did was use there own energy against them and its they got so badly hurt because of the ferocity of their very own attack. I think the average person would eat that shit up.

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  • Snake Plissken
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    Originally posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    I was bringing attention to the "eye for an eye" concepts which are alive and well in the law of some countries, such as Islamic nations, so it's conceivable that taking someone's eye out in a streetfight or other situation could lead to a nasty decision by, say, a Sharia court, depending on the "facts" of the case, which we all know may not fit with reality. Keep in mind some of these countries still stone women for showing skin.

    So, depending on the jurisdiction, the kind of techniques you use for self defense can indeed get you in serious (bodily) trouble, even if in the heat of the moment they seem justified.
    he wasn't defending himself, he was stalking her with the intent of harming her.
    she didn't defend herself, she had posthumous justice.

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  • DerAuslander
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    Your logic is very different from our Earth logic.

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  • W. Rabbit
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    Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
    Blinding by acid isn't the same as poking an eye.
    It would be easier to prove you intended on blinding the person with acid then it would be a stray finger
    I was bringing attention to the "eye for an eye" concepts which are alive and well in the law of some countries, such as Islamic nations, so it's conceivable that taking someone's eye out in a streetfight or other situation could lead to a nasty decision by, say, a Sharia court, depending on the "facts" of the case, which we all know may not fit with reality. Keep in mind some of these countries still stone women for showing skin.

    So, depending on the jurisdiction, the kind of techniques you use for self defense can indeed get you in serious (bodily) trouble, even if in the heat of the moment they seem justified. For that reason I think it always makes sense in a self defense situation to use the least amount of force necessary, as opposed to t43 d34dly.

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  • DerAuslander
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    Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
    Shhh he is smarter than you and a Legal Expert. Stop posting.
    TEHRAN!!!

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  • Snake Plissken
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    Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
    Shhh he is smarter than you and a Legal Expert. Stop posting.
    Oh.
    So sorry.


    :minces off to blind himself with acid:

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  • It is Fake
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    Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
    Blinding by acid isn't the same as poking an eye.
    It would be easier to prove you intended on blinding the person with acid then it would be a stray finger
    Shhh he is smarter than you and a Legal Expert. Stop posting.

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  • DerAuslander
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    Originally posted by CrackFox View Post
    Bingo.

    The mayhem charge doesn't come from using an eyegouge. It comes from taking the eyegouge too far and pulling the goddamned eye out. Put an armbar on until you get a snap - congratulations that's a mayhem/GBH charge. Boot somebody until you smash their orbit and detach a retina? You're going to be having quite a frank discussion with someone from the Director of Public Prosecutions' office.
    One of the things to keep in mind is that much of the PFS was created during Paul's time working with the military & was developed for that paradigm. What may not come through to people who just watch a YouTube clip is that the paradigm being taught can drastically affect how & what is taught.

    For example, our Law Enforcement curriculum, a variation of which I teach to bar & club security, does not include the "filthy" techniques untilmuch later in the curriculum, which is taught according to a force continuum.

    Similarly, what I teach to "civilians" is much more based on basic striking, clinching, & weapons skill development though again, tailored to an individual student's needs.

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  • M1K3
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    Originally posted by FictionPimp View Post
    How come the bjj guy is never the guy with the knife? I carry a assisted opening blade on me all the time (comes in handy at work) AND I'm fairly experienced in bjj. If I take the fight to the ground and want to really kill you, I can use my position dominance to cut your lungs out.

    Of course taking the fight to the ground means something went really wrong in the first place and I wasn't able to shoot you.....
    Not only that they are always out in some bad part of town, sidewalks covered in aids needles, broken glass and used condoms, by themselves.

    Apparently people who do BJJ are socially maladjusted, have no friends and no common sense when it comes to wandering a dark dangerous city at night.

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